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Old December 11, 2000, 11:18 PM   #26
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Cool Site!

Jim-alex, I have a pseudo flashlight fetish, if you well, but I never thought I would find a site that catered so readily to it! Very cool information. Thanks.
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Old December 12, 2000, 12:17 PM   #27
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Thanks for the info.

Expert is a relative term, I was just wondering since the question had been brought up about the brightness of the 6 vs 9 if any of you users saw a difference.
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Old December 12, 2000, 12:35 PM   #28
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Getting in a little late on this thread, but here's my .02

If the light is not going to get used regularly, get the 6/9 P or Z series, whichever you prefer. If you already have one and want a little more light at the cost of a shorter battery life, upgrade the to a P61 or P91 bulb.

If you use the light regularly and will keep it charged - go w/the Surefire 8X or 9N. 110 and 140 lumens in a very small package. The charge will drain over time if the light just sits so if this is you, go w/a lithium powered system.

You can upgrade your 6 volt Surefires (handheld and weapon lights) to 9 volts with a spacer.

I use a 6Z w/a P60 bulb, 8X, 12Z (recently changed from the M3) and a 9 volt system w/P91 bulb on an 870P. I've used these awhile so if you have any ?'s on run time, battery life, brightness etc. I'll tell you what I can
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Old December 13, 2000, 06:23 AM   #29
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Be advised that Laser Products also makes a 3P Surefire, a single cell light, with a pocket clip. Nice and compact, and still enough light for the job.
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Old December 13, 2000, 03:27 PM   #30
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Botach Tactical has Scorpions on sale for $29.
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Old December 15, 2000, 02:11 AM   #31
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Flashlight Fetish

Ummm... I won't admit to such a fetish. But to spam for a minute I'd like to mention I did start a forum just for flashlights and anything that lights up (but still legal).

Also, SureFire has a forum:

I have the SF 6P. I'm satisfied with it. But after reading navaho's post I think I'm short at least one more flashlight. I was entertaining the idea of the P61 lamp but the P60 battery runtime is already low at 60 minutes. 20 minutes for the P61 is not much. Maybe I'll get the 9P. Or wait and see if there'll be a Nitrolon version of the 9P.

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Old December 15, 2000, 05:55 AM   #32
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well, now I don't feel so stupid...

I checked out the flashlight forums posted above, and found an interesting thread between a couple of guys who say that they can (just barely) tell the difference between the 125 lumens vs. the 225 lumens with the Surefire M3 flashlight.

That's a difference of 100 lumens! Knowing that they can barely differentiate b/n a delta of 100 lumens makes me feel a lot less stupid about not being able to differentiate b/n a delta of 40 lumens (the 6P's 65 lumens vs. the 9P's 105 lumens)

Their discussion is at:

and a description of the SureFire M3 is at:
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