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Old December 30, 2011, 09:35 AM   #1
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Italian Cap & Ball Maker Question

I have an Italian made copy of a .44 blackpowder revolver.
I was told it was an "1861 Navy"
It has a navy scene on the cylinder
It is brass framed case hardened with what looks like a CSA on one side of the brass next to the grip, (the "S" is backwards)
The AE in the square box denotes a 1979 manufacture year.
It has "For blackpowder use only - made in Italy" on the barrel
The only possible manufacture mark is above the serial number - it is a circle with 3 letters starting with a "D" to the the right above is a "G" and then below the "G" is either another "G" or a "C".
Does anyone know who manufactured this?
I know what the Umberti, Pietta, and Army San Marco marks look like and it is not them.
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Old January 1, 2012, 03:34 PM   #2
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This should be asked in the Black powder section. There will be more members there that can answer questions concerning cap and ball replicas.
I have a number of black powder guns Umberti, Flli Pietta, Dixie and Navy arms. All were made in Italy.
The only one I have somewhat like yours is an 1860 Dixie gun works which is in 36 Cal and octagon barrel, with the naval seen on the cylinder.
It’s not unusual for Italian manufactures to not mark their guns. I think that they are built and sold to companies like Dixie and they stamp the gun. I have an 1851 Navy and the Dixie lettering across the top of the barrel are nothing like the manufacturing markings throughout the gun. Of the 9 that I own only 5 have manufactures name on them the remainder ether have no name or have the US company that sold them
I’m afraid that none of my guns match the markings on yours but then again I only have two 61’s.
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Old January 1, 2012, 03:40 PM   #3
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None of the real Navies were .44's. Navies were .36's. In addition, the frame may be brass, and it may be case hardened, but it can't be both. If it is a case hardened frame it is steel or iron. Brass will just look like brass.

That being said, there have been copies of Colt Navies that were sold in .44 instead of .36, it could be one of those. A picture would help. I am guessing it is a 1860 Army, or a 1851 Navy made as a .44.
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I think what he meant was the frame was steel and the trigger guard and forward grip frame was brass. Also it’s probably not case hardened but chemically made to look like case hardening.
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Old January 1, 2012, 07:22 PM   #5
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Photos would help ... a lot.
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Old January 1, 2012, 09:18 PM   #6
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Armi san Paulo which later became Euroarms.
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Old January 1, 2012, 11:50 PM   #7
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Is it brass framed or color case hardened frame with brass backstrap & triggerguard? Round barrel or octagonal barrel? Creeping loading lever or hinged loading lever? As Aguila Blanca said, pictures would help immensely.

It sounds like its an 1860 Army revolver; but pictures, would nail it down.
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