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Old December 29, 2011, 10:49 AM   #26
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I think most people who educate themselves about SD / HD do some basic things like identify the choke points in their house and points of entry / egress.

I am fortunate in the layout of my condo in that my kid's bedroom is further down the hall than my bedroom - so, my door opens on the hall which is the choke point for my home.

In addition to identifying chokepoints, I think most people think about cover.

I basically have no cover in my home, except the minimal cover provided by 2x4s of a door frame.

I had German Sheperds my whole life and I found them to be really intelligent, courageous dogs with natural gaurd instincts. One of my German Sheperds actually patrolled our house several times a night, looked into every bedroom, looked out every window, and then would lay down at at the top of the stairs - the point where all bedrooms and family members could best be gaurded. Unfotunately I have a daughter who is allergic to dogs so the gaurd dog option is out while we look for a dog she's not allergic too. And she's already proven to be allergic to some supposedly hypo-allergenic breeds.

My feeling is that if I am upstairs and intruders are downstairs I can shout "Get out of here - I'm armed, I'm calling the police !" And they would probably flee. And I could be ready to defend the hallway until the police arrived.

But if I don't wake up until they are in my upstairs hallway... my feeling is that shouting or yelling "freeze" or something like that is just going to get me shot.

Unfortunately, we live in a litagaous society where a good portion of jurors have no idea about the reality of the dynamics of shootouts and have many misconceptions fostered by Hollywood's ridiculous portrayals. And there are lawyers who know how to expertly exploit those misconceptions.

I think that's why a solid Castle Doctrine with no burden to retreat is so so important.
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Old December 29, 2011, 11:03 AM   #27
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C0untZer0, have you looked at standard poodles yet? Don't give them the stupid poodle haircut, and you have a 60lb, intelligent, hypo-allergenic dog.

A friend's standard poodle once really tore up a German shepherd that made the poor decision to come over the fence and attack the standard. (Standards were originally hunting dogs.)
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Old December 29, 2011, 03:42 PM   #28
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As a Retired Army Officer living in a remote and isolated location, I have analysied and planned my home defense as I would a LogBase.

My animals are my early warning system. They roam our acreage at night and alert us to any intruders.

Solar powered motion activated security lights surround the home. These lights will back light any intruder. While I remain in shadow.

The home is hardened to slow entry and create lots of noise if someone is attemting to enter.

The Interior layout forces intruders to move in a predictable pattern.
Once again lights are motion activated a entry points so they will back light the intruder.

As in any castle, I have a keep. This is our last defensive position. The door is hardened. The furniture provides cover. We have sufficient arms, ammunition, and water to hold out for several hours if not days.

Cell phones are maintained on our person or at hand 24 / 7. This is not just for defense but my wife has a heart condition.

We have coordinated with our neighbors and developed a mutual aid plan.

Call 911 then call the neighbor who responds armed and ready. He will also direct responding LEO to the proper location.

If it seems like the wild west, it is.

Our location has a large number of crack heads and we have spill over from the border and its myrad of problems.

My points are. Start your plan at your property line. Harden your entry points. Install noise makers on your windows and doors. A coke can with some pennys in it set to fall when a door or window is opened is very effective.

Install lighting to illuminate your attacker while keeping you in shadow.

Harden a room in your home were all of your family can assemble. By hardening include doors, windows and furniture. Include the means of defense.

I hope you never have to execute your plan.
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Old December 29, 2011, 03:45 PM   #29
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I have looked at poodles - they are a working dog, which people often forget, and yes they got miniturized, but the full sized dogs are good dogs from what I've heard. It's not their fault they got miniturized - even Doberman Pinschers looked ridiculous after they got miniturized.

According to Wikipedia they are second in intelligence only to the Border Collie and supposedly smarter than the German Shepherd.

My aunt has had poddles for decades and decades and I have to admit they are smart dogs.

My daughter was around one of those Golden Doodles - Poodle/Golden retreiver mix which are suppossed to be hypo allergenic and she had a reaction, but I haven't tried regular poodles yet.

On the other hand... my other aunt and uncle live in Orlando. They woke up one morning to find all their stuff gone. They had been robbed in their sleep. The robbers had put my aunt and uncle's very friendly dachshund in a closet.
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Old December 29, 2011, 03:46 PM   #30
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Does castle doctrine apply if your dog attacks an invader?

Do you have to claim to have purposely sicced your dog on them ie- use your dog as a weapon?
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Old December 29, 2011, 04:11 PM   #31
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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I make my stand when he inters my yard. I live in the sticks were we call it trespassing
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Old December 29, 2011, 04:15 PM   #32
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Most excellent itc444--thank you for a very good post.
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Old December 30, 2011, 07:50 AM   #33
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Caliber doesn't matter. It's all about shot placement.
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Old January 1, 2012, 12:50 PM   #34
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No sympathy for these three idiots, and kudos to the homeowner for fighting back with what he had available ... people who enter your home to commit a crime don't deserve sympathy ... the wounded kid got off lightly, IMHO and got just what he deserved.
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Old January 1, 2012, 03:29 PM   #35
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Caliber doesn't matter. It's all about shot placement.
So your home and/or self defense weapon is a .22 or a 32 ACP or something?

The all about shot placement stuff slays me. While hitting the vitals etc. certainly is #1, it is NOT everything. Not at all. Hitting the CNS or center punching the heart lung area in the dark, under stress, on a moving aggressive target that may well be in the process of hurting you or a loved one, from a less than ideal position, perhaps while hurt yourself, and doing it all in probably just seconds sounds so easy.

There may well be a good reason why one of the more ideal home defense weapons is a 12 gauge with buckshot and not a Marlin .22 auto.

Most LE shoots, and most HD shoots have a hit probability of 20 to 25 percent. That is a hit anywhere. Practice and skill will increase the likelyhood of a hit somewhere on the target. An adequate round will increase the likelyhood of a hit making a difference. In that I find myself to be a desirable person to save, I will continue to stack the deck.
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