Deep concealment 9mm derringer VS NAA 22mag

freenokia · December 9, 2011, 06:41 PM

Just for fun. Which would you rather carry, NAA 22mag or 9mm derringer?

and why if you care to explain.

SHNOMIDO · December 9, 2011, 06:54 PM

at point blank deep concealment ranges i would rather have 5 than 2.

C0untZer0 · December 9, 2011, 07:20 PM

I know there are cases where a .22 out of a Derringer has killed people, but generally speaking, I have more confidence that a 9mm round is going to penetrate the requisite number of inches to disrupt vital tissue.

bossman · December 9, 2011, 10:32 PM

Neither, I'd rather have a walking stick.

Master Blaster 2 · December 10, 2011, 06:49 AM

Deep concealment the NAA is easier to hide and has 3 more rounds than the 9MM heavier derringer.
Of course you will already have a primary concealed gun.

sgms · December 10, 2011, 09:35 AM

None of the above. To many other good options out there in only slightly larger packages.

Onward Allusion · December 10, 2011, 10:22 AM

Neither. Derringers are last ditch. NAA mini revolvers are last ditch. They are meant for carrying when you are in a pair of exercise shorts and a T-shirt.

If you're wearing pants, carry Kel Tec P32/P3AT or Ruger LCP or LC9. I would suggest that you compare weights and dimensions before investing in a derringer.

franco45 · December 10, 2011, 10:31 AM

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Just for fun. Which would you rather carry, NAA 22mag or 9mm derringer?

Not much fun when the other posters don't want to play within your premise.
I'll play. Just for fun I choose the NAA 22mag. I actually do carry a Pug or Black Widow at times. I usually carry one or the other as a bug. I do sometimes carry one as a primary in low risk situations such as going to the gym or doctors office.

Vt.birdhunter · December 10, 2011, 10:54 AM

The newer personal defense loads from Hornady and Speer show similar penetration in gel to .380s.

With that in mind, 5 rounds from a nearly infallible platform such as a single action revolver compared to a 6 round .380 auto.......well there is some real appeal there for many folks including myself.

MTT TL · December 10, 2011, 11:44 AM

IF I am going to carry a derringer I would want the lightest and smallest one possible. The short barrel and lack of grip does the 9mm no favors either. So the mini mag with the extra rounds would be the way to go. It would likely confuse and injure an attacker enough for you to make a getaway.

But why not just carry a snub .357?

It would be a heck of a lot more fun. Although not as cheap as the mini.

Glenn E. Meyer · December 10, 2011, 11:57 AM

The NAAs rock for being small. The 9mm derringer - might as well carry a J.

bikerbill · December 10, 2011, 02:16 PM

Both are kind of emergency only weapons, but I had a 9mm Bond derringer and sold it; my current dogwalking gun is an NAA Pug ... I found the derringer to be far too heavy, too hard to cock, impossible to grip firmly enough to be fired accurately and way too slow to reload ... the Pug solves all but the last, and still, I have five rounds of 45gr Hornady Critical Defense instead of two rounds of 9mm ... I wouldn't try to defend myself with a derringer unless it was all that was available and I was desperate ...

(*_*) · December 10, 2011, 02:38 PM

+1 for the NAA, has been reliable and can carry very easily. It beats having to use your fist.

sixgunluv · December 11, 2011, 01:29 AM

Derringer all the way, I can shoot it much better than a NAA. I can keep em in a pie plate at 40ft with my Derringer....the NAA i couldn't hit my foot if i tried.

C0untZer0 · December 11, 2011, 02:05 AM

Just going along with the way you framed the question I chose Derringer.

But the Rohrbaugh R9 weighs only slightly more than, and is only slightly larger than most 9mm Derringers, and there are a few cases - like with the Bond Century that it's actually smaller and lighter than the Derringer.

Bond Century 2000
Caliber:9mm (also 40S&W,10mm and .45 ACP)
Barrel: 3.5in
Length: 5.5in
Weight: 21 oz.
Capacity:2

Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in
Weight:13.5oz
Capacity:6+1 Rounds

In this case you actually have a semi-auto that is about 1/4" shorter and 7.5 oz lighter than a "derringer" and it holds 5 more rounds of ammo.

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publius · December 11, 2011, 04:43 AM

NAA .22 Mag. The two companies who make quality derringers are NAA and Bond. They are both very well made weapons. To echo bikerbills statement, they are heavy, ridiculously hard to cock(it takes me both hands), and have tiny grips. I can actually shoot my .357 NAA pretty well but the above problems make it practically unusable for SD.

Hal · December 11, 2011, 05:50 AM

NAA .22 mag. all the way.

I own a two shot derringer.
Derringers are cool looking toys.

Given the choice between screwing the barrel of it into someone's ear @ point blank range( or more correctly trying to do that) or using a knife, I'd take the knife 7 days a week over the derringer.

Onward Allusion · December 11, 2011, 11:27 AM

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Vt.birdhunter
The newer personal defense loads from Hornady and Speer show similar penetration in gel to .380s.
With that in mind, 5 rounds from a nearly infallible platform such as a single action revolver compared to a 6 round .380 auto.......well there is some real appeal there for many folks including myself.

I guess it depends how large one's hands are and what kind of dexterity they have in their hands. There's no way in hell that I can pump rounds from a NAA single action mini revolver in the same time as I can a LCP, P3AT, or P32. That's not even comparing the power difference between the rounds. Finally, it's 5 rounds versus 6+1 rounds. BTW, I carry a NAA in the office and a P32 outside of the office/home. I only carry a NAA when there is absolutely no other option.

Oh, and this is the other part - from those kind of short barrels (1 1/8, 1 7/8), a 25ACP performs as well.

KenW. · December 11, 2011, 12:14 PM

I feel quite comfortable answering the front door with my Cobra .38 spec derringer loaded with a pair of JHPs in a back pocket. If the target is close I'll hit it.

If I hear something suspicious outside though, I'll grab my XD or XDm.

sixgunluv · December 11, 2011, 08:50 PM

"I'd take the knife 7 days a week over the Derringer"

........not me, good luck with that knife at 30ft.
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Jamie B · December 12, 2011, 07:27 PM

I don't carry just for fun.

Shadi Khalil · December 12, 2011, 09:44 PM

I'd go with the 5 shot.

freenokia · December 13, 2011, 03:41 PM

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I don't carry just for fun.

In that case save your breath next time. I wasn't talking to you.

Hal · December 13, 2011, 04:46 PM

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not me, good luck with that knife at 30ft.

30 feet is easily ten times further than the effective range of my two shot derringer.( a Davies also)
I've already had a shot bounce off a piece of plywood I fired into @ a couple of feet and come back at me.

sixgunluv · December 15, 2011, 02:08 PM

Hal,
"bounced back off of plywood"......really. My .38spl easily penetrates several inches of layered plywood without a hiccup. What type of plywood are you shooting at..."petrified"...lol.

10 times further than your effective range...10times?..... really? Sounds likes you need some more practice. I can easily keep em in a pie plate at 30ft....45ft on a good day.

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December 9, 2011, 06:41 PM	#1
freenokia Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2011 Posts: 142	Deep concealment 9mm derringer VS NAA 22mag Just for fun. Which would you rather carry, NAA 22mag or 9mm derringer? and why if you care to explain.

December 9, 2011, 10:32 PM	#4
bossman Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 996	Neither, I'd rather have a walking stick. __________________ NRA life member When the going gets tough, I just open another beer.

December 10, 2011, 10:22 AM	#7
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	Neither. Derringers are last ditch. NAA mini revolvers are last ditch. They are meant for carrying when you are in a pair of exercise shorts and a T-shirt. If you're wearing pants, carry Kel Tec P32/P3AT or Ruger LCP or LC9. I would suggest that you compare weights and dimensions before investing in a derringer. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

December 10, 2011, 10:54 AM	#9
Vt.birdhunter Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 637	The newer personal defense loads from Hornady and Speer show similar penetration in gel to .380s. With that in mind, 5 rounds from a nearly infallible platform such as a single action revolver compared to a 6 round .380 auto.......well there is some real appeal there for many folks including myself. __________________ Maintaining a constant state of cat-like readiness and a heightened state of suspicious alertness.

December 9, 2011, 06:54 PM	#2
SHNOMIDO Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 423	at point blank deep concealment ranges i would rather have 5 than 2.

December 9, 2011, 07:20 PM	#3
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I know there are cases where a .22 out of a Derringer has killed people, but generally speaking, I have more confidence that a 9mm round is going to penetrate the requisite number of inches to disrupt vital tissue.

December 10, 2011, 06:49 AM	#5
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	Deep concealment the NAA is easier to hide and has 3 more rounds than the 9MM heavier derringer. Of course you will already have a primary concealed gun.

December 10, 2011, 09:35 AM	#6
sgms Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2010 Location: Arizona or Ohio depending Posts: 1,021	None of the above. To many other good options out there in only slightly larger packages.

December 10, 2011, 11:44 AM	#10
MTT TL Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Quadling Country Posts: 2,780	IF I am going to carry a derringer I would want the lightest and smallest one possible. The short barrel and lack of grip does the 9mm no favors either. So the mini mag with the extra rounds would be the way to go. It would likely confuse and injure an attacker enough for you to make a getaway. But why not just carry a snub .357? It would be a heck of a lot more fun. Although not as cheap as the mini. __________________ Thus a man should endeavor to reach this high place of courage with all his heart, and, so trying, never be backward in war.

December 10, 2011, 11:57 AM	#11
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	The NAAs rock for being small. The 9mm derringer - might as well carry a J. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

December 10, 2011, 02:16 PM	#12
bikerbill Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2007 Location: Lago Vista TX Posts: 2,425	Both are kind of emergency only weapons, but I had a 9mm Bond derringer and sold it; my current dogwalking gun is an NAA Pug ... I found the derringer to be far too heavy, too hard to cock, impossible to grip firmly enough to be fired accurately and way too slow to reload ... the Pug solves all but the last, and still, I have five rounds of 45gr Hornady Critical Defense instead of two rounds of 9mm ... I wouldn't try to defend myself with a derringer unless it was all that was available and I was desperate ... __________________ "The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants." Albert Camus

December 10, 2011, 02:38 PM	#13
(_) Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2011 Location: AL Posts: 160	+1 for the NAA, has been reliable and can carry very easily. It beats having to use your fist.

December 11, 2011, 01:29 AM	#14
sixgunluv Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2008 Posts: 200	derringer Derringer all the way, I can shoot it much better than a NAA. I can keep em in a pie plate at 40ft with my Derringer....the NAA i couldn't hit my foot if i tried.

December 11, 2011, 02:05 AM	#15
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Just going along with the way you framed the question I chose Derringer. But the Rohrbaugh R9 weighs only slightly more than, and is only slightly larger than most 9mm Derringers, and there are a few cases - like with the Bond Century that it's actually smaller and lighter than the Derringer. Bond Century 2000 Caliber:9mm (also 40S&W,10mm and .45 ACP) Barrel: 3.5in Length: 5.5in Weight: 21 oz. Capacity:2 Rohrbaugh R9 Caliber:9mm Barrel:2.9in Length:5.2in Height:3.7in Weight:13.5oz Capacity:6+1 Rounds In this case you actually have a semi-auto that is about 1/4" shorter and 7.5 oz lighter than a "derringer" and it holds 5 more rounds of ammo. .

December 11, 2011, 04:43 AM	#16
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	NAA .22 Mag. The two companies who make quality derringers are NAA and Bond. They are both very well made weapons. To echo bikerbills statement, they are heavy, ridiculously hard to cock(it takes me both hands), and have tiny grips. I can actually shoot my .357 NAA pretty well but the above problems make it practically unusable for SD. __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

December 11, 2011, 05:50 AM	#17
Hal Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1998 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 8,563	NAA .22 mag. all the way. I own a two shot derringer. Derringers are cool looking toys. Given the choice between screwing the barrel of it into someone's ear @ point blank range( or more correctly trying to do that) or using a knife, I'd take the knife 7 days a week over the derringer.

December 11, 2011, 12:14 PM	#19
KenW. Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 163	I feel quite comfortable answering the front door with my Cobra .38 spec derringer loaded with a pair of JHPs in a back pocket. If the target is close I'll hit it. If I hear something suspicious outside though, I'll grab my XD or XDm.

December 11, 2011, 08:50 PM	#20
sixgunluv Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2008 Posts: 200	Derringer "I'd take the knife 7 days a week over the Derringer" ........not me, good luck with that knife at 30ft. [IMG][/IMG]

December 12, 2011, 07:27 PM	#21
Jamie B Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: OH Posts: 139	I don't carry just for fun. __________________ Jamie

December 12, 2011, 09:44 PM	#22
Shadi Khalil Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,210	I'd go with the 5 shot.

December 15, 2011, 02:08 PM	#25
sixgunluv Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2008 Posts: 200	Derringer Hal, "bounced back off of plywood"......really. My .38spl easily penetrates several inches of layered plywood without a hiccup. What type of plywood are you shooting at..."petrified"...lol. 10 times further than your effective range...10times?..... really? Sounds likes you need some more practice. I can easily keep em in a pie plate at 30ft....45ft on a good day.