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Old August 23, 2011, 02:09 PM   #26
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"Basic Brass" is what you are looking for, comes with different diameters and case head configurations. I've bought 30-06 basic and 45-70 basic but never seen the 223 basic.
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Old Today, 12:33 PM   #27
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Sorry for the very long absence. Cylinder brass in 223 is carried by Buffalo Arms.

What I was working on back then was a full length 223 ever so slightly necked down to 308 shooting a 150gr round nose bullet. Out of a 16" barrel, we made 2250fps safely with H227, and sold a lot of AR15 uppers based on that round for hunting.

A short time later, H227 was discontinued leaving me with having to do another search for a well matched powder. Finding none, I shelved the project for a few years. Now there are several new powders that look pretty close burn rate wise so I ordered more Cylinder Brass and will work on this over the winter.

I just wanted to share the brass source in case someone else is looking for 223 brass for their own wildcat project.

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If you mean H4227, Hodgdon told me they discontinued it because it was so identical to IMR4227 that they didn't see a reason to have one of their products compete with another by keeping it under two names. So IMR4227 should be your ticket.

Thanks for the brass source.
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Old Today, 05:54 PM   #29
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Close, but not identical.
I've seen more than one warning not to interchange the two powder's loading data. My own attempt at it showed early pressure signs and lower velocity with the exact same brass, primer and bullet combinations.
When I called them, the reason I was given is that that line was dropped due to possible and dangerous confusion with the IMR4227 line, and low sales for the H227.
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Reminds me of the .30 Apache. .30x.223 loaded with I THINK H335 and a heavy spitzer for metallic silhouette. The long bullet made a single shot out of a 788. When asked if the shallow shoulder gave trouble with headspace, Mr Apache said, "Not really. After a few loadings the neck splits and I throw it away."
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