ar-15 -poll

jwf1989 · October 3, 2010, 07:53 PM

who makes the best complete ar-15(5.56x45mm/.223) quality/performance/reliabilty
(leave price out of decision)

-dpms ap4-

-armalite ar-15-

-bushmaster ar-15-

-rock river arms ar-15-

-colt ar-15-

RT · October 3, 2010, 08:47 PM

LaRue, Noveske, Daniel Defense, LMT, BCM > Colt > the rest

TriggerJunky · October 3, 2010, 09:03 PM

Best to worst...

Noveske
Daniel Defense
Larue
LMT
BCM
Colt
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DPMS

I hate DPMS.

jwf1989 · October 3, 2010, 09:19 PM

wheres armalite on that list

dreamweaver · October 3, 2010, 09:25 PM

i voted colt cause i own two. but armalite is really the standard now days. and no one can touch armalite for AR-10's
jmho

RT · October 4, 2010, 04:59 AM

Armalite is the standard for what? Most would argue that Noveske is the gold standard AR
How would you rate the Armalite AR-10 versus a LMT MWS?

madcratebuilder · October 4, 2010, 06:20 AM

AR15/AR10=ArmaLite or Noveske. The only difference I see between ArmaLite and Noveske is the barrel.

cw_mi · October 4, 2010, 12:40 PM

I found this info online, I unfortunatly don't have a link to the source.

Some interesting info :

Most all lowers, excluding billet ones, are made by a handful of companies and then the selling "manufacturer" cleans them up, stamps their logo on, and does the finish. here's a list of most of the manufacturer(s). Granted, the finish out and QC processes by the company that stamps their name on the side does vary:

Lewis Machine & Tool
LMT
Lauer
DS Arms
PWA
Eagle
Armalite
Knights Armament
Barrett

Continental Machine Tool
Stag
Rock River Arms
High Standard
Noveske
Century (New)
Global Tactical
CLE
S&W
MGI
Wilson Tactical
Grenadier Precision
Colt

LAR Manufacturing
LAR
Bushmaster
Ameetec
DPMS
CMMG
Double Star
Fulton Armory
Spike's Tactical

JVP
Double Star
LRB

Mega Machine Shop
Mega
GSE
Dalphon
POF
Alexander Arms

Olympic
Olympic
SGW
Tromix
Palmetto
Dalphon
Frankford
Century (Old)

Sun Devil
Sun Devil billet receivers

Superior
Superior Arms

shootingblanks · October 4, 2010, 01:05 PM

My brother is on SWAT for a large city. He has a customized Armalite AR-15. I am saving up for an AR-15 and was wondering about the PWS 5.56 Diablo/MK110. How does the Primary Weapon System compare?

pcardinal42 · October 4, 2010, 05:26 PM

Colt is the only manufacture that should have votes on that poll. RT and TriggerJunky have it down right. All the companies they listed are top notch and make excellent rifles that aren't even comparable to Dpms or bushmaster.

Danny45 · October 4, 2010, 07:25 PM

My LMT isn't on the poll.

Willie Lowman · October 4, 2010, 07:36 PM

I have owned a Colt HBar II for 11 years. I shot over 10,000 rounds through it's original upper before I sold it to a friend who was building an AR. I kept the lower and put a RRA Entry Tac upper on it. I am happy with it, even though it has that stupid grenade launcher notch.

I have owned 2 RRA rifles and a Wilson Combat carbine as well. The RRAs function fine and shoot well but the fit and finish doesn't seem to be as good as my Colt. The Wilson had a permanently attached muzzle break because it was a AWB gun. I got rid of it when the ban ended.

Quentin2 · October 4, 2010, 08:40 PM

I voted Colt since it is the best in your poll but would have chosen BCM if you had it.

Hey how come you didn't have my FrankenAR listed... it's S&W (lower receiver), Del-Ton (LPK), BCM (receiver extension/M4 stock), ArmaLite (upper receiver), Wilson (barrel), Daniel Defense (BCG), Bushmaster (various parts), Colt/Cardinal Forge (carry handle), Colt/Anchor Harvey (cut carry handle), YHM (risers), Bushnell (RDS), MagPull (magazine), Marlin (scope), H&K (magazine) and CQB Solutions (sling)!

RT · October 4, 2010, 09:28 PM

The difference b/t armalite and noveske is: the barrel steel, twist, chrome lining MPI and HPT testing, M16 bolt carrier, MPI bolt, HPT bolt, F marked FSB, Buffer weight, and probably more.

FoxtrotRomeo · October 5, 2010, 12:14 AM

To be honest, a complete AR? I build the best one. And you should too. If you get what I mean. I know the builders get it.

Quentin2 · October 5, 2010, 12:15 AM

Quote:

The difference b/t armalite and noveske is: the barrel steel, twist, chrome lining MPI and HPT testing, M16 bolt carrier, MPI bolt, HPT bolt, F marked FSB, Buffer weight, and probably more.

You're right - the ArmaLite bolt isn't Carpenter 158 steel and the receiver extension is 6061 aircraft aluminum not 7075-T6. But to be fair MIL-B-11595E milspec barrel steel is used as is chrome lining of the chamber and bore.

chadwick76 · October 5, 2010, 12:43 AM

yes i do own a dpms, but i only shoot my larue and noveske 10.5

jwf1989 · October 30, 2010, 06:13 PM

how is the colt better then rra,armalite or bushmaster, ive shot all three and rra and armalite were nicer in my opinion but it dominated the poll? and the reason the others arnt on the poll is the price, i shldve put best under $1300 but seriousley ,is the pony emblem worth that much and in which ones have the best resale?

pythagorean · October 30, 2010, 07:03 PM

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...=5&output=html

10mmAuto · October 30, 2010, 07:11 PM

Colts are typically pretty mediocre.

pythagorean · October 30, 2010, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Colts are typically pretty mediocre.

Take a look at the link to the M-4 variants and say that again....

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...=5&output=html

10mmAuto · October 30, 2010, 08:17 PM

My personal experience with issued M4s and 16s obviously doesn't have **** on this chart which is the definitive authority on the performance of various AR-15s.
/s

HKFan9 · October 30, 2010, 09:02 PM

Yes everyone that was ever issued an AR platform is an expert on the matter.

I voted for Colt, I sold my Colt, and my Stag shoots just as nice for half the money. Noveske and LMT BCM are better, but for the poll I would say Colt, for me, my Stag has been awesome. I don't crawl through mud with mine, or do water bound assaults, so my Stag works just fine for me. I trust my life to it in the conditions I would need to use it, and it always performs great when I take it out to shoot. I got my stag used off here by another member. Used the money from my colt for a different gun, and have been slowly tinkering and replacing parts on the Stag when I get extra time and money.... which is just as much fun as shooting the thing.

An AR is an adult erector set, build your own, so you can't complain that said brand is bad, you put the labor in, you only have yourself to blame.

redstategunnut · October 30, 2010, 09:06 PM

There is objective proof that Colt makes the best gun on this list. Use your googlefu. Good grief.

10mmAuto · October 30, 2010, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Yes everyone that was ever issued an AR platform is an expert on the matter.

I didn't claim so much for a second, but the idea that creating some artificial criteria about how the rifle is built and putting them into a matrix makes Colt the best rifle is retarded.

October 3, 2010, 07:53 PM	#1
jwf1989 Member Join Date: September 29, 2010 Posts: 36	ar-15 -poll who makes the best complete ar-15(5.56x45mm/.223) quality/performance/reliabilty (leave price out of decision) -dpms ap4- -armalite ar-15- -bushmaster ar-15- -rock river arms ar-15- -colt ar-15-

October 3, 2010, 09:19 PM	#4
jwf1989 Member Join Date: September 29, 2010 Posts: 36	so wheres armalite on that list

October 3, 2010, 09:25 PM	#5
dreamweaver Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Posts: 713	i voted colt cause i own two. but armalite is really the standard now days. and no one can touch armalite for AR-10's jmho __________________ http://takdriver.com/

October 4, 2010, 05:26 PM	#10
pcardinal42 Member Join Date: October 10, 2009 Location: Abilene, TX Posts: 48	Colt is the only manufacture that should have votes on that poll. RT and TriggerJunky have it down right. All the companies they listed are top notch and make excellent rifles that aren't even comparable to Dpms or bushmaster. __________________ "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

October 4, 2010, 07:25 PM	#11
Danny45 Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2000 Location: Tulsa Oklahoma Posts: 434	My LMT isn't on the poll. __________________ Danny

View Poll Results: overall quality/reliability/performence(not price)
dpms ap4	7	5.69%
armalite ar-15	10	8.13%
bushmaster ar-15	24	19.51%
colt ar-15	60	48.78%
rock river arms ar-15	22	17.89%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

October 3, 2010, 08:47 PM	#2
RT Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2000 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,194	LaRue, Noveske, Daniel Defense, LMT, BCM > Colt > the rest

October 3, 2010, 09:03 PM	#3
TriggerJunky Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 91	Best to worst... Noveske Daniel Defense Larue LMT BCM Colt . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . DPMS I hate DPMS.

October 4, 2010, 04:59 AM	#6
RT Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2000 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,194	Armalite is the standard for what? Most would argue that Noveske is the gold standard AR How would you rate the Armalite AR-10 versus a LMT MWS?

October 4, 2010, 06:20 AM	#7
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,923	AR15/AR10=ArmaLite or Noveske. The only difference I see between ArmaLite and Noveske is the barrel.

October 4, 2010, 12:40 PM	#8
cw_mi Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Posts: 85	I found this info online, I unfortunatly don't have a link to the source. Some interesting info : Most all lowers, excluding billet ones, are made by a handful of companies and then the selling "manufacturer" cleans them up, stamps their logo on, and does the finish. here's a list of most of the manufacturer(s). Granted, the finish out and QC processes by the company that stamps their name on the side does vary: Lewis Machine & Tool LMT Lauer DS Arms PWA Eagle Armalite Knights Armament Barrett Continental Machine Tool Stag Rock River Arms High Standard Noveske Century (New) Global Tactical CLE S&W MGI Wilson Tactical Grenadier Precision Colt LAR Manufacturing LAR Bushmaster Ameetec DPMS CMMG Double Star Fulton Armory Spike's Tactical JVP Double Star LRB Mega Machine Shop Mega GSE Dalphon POF Alexander Arms Olympic Olympic SGW Tromix Palmetto Dalphon Frankford Century (Old) Sun Devil Sun Devil billet receivers Superior Superior Arms

October 4, 2010, 01:05 PM	#9
shootingblanks Member Join Date: December 11, 2009 Posts: 35	My brother is on SWAT for a large city. He has a customized Armalite AR-15. I am saving up for an AR-15 and was wondering about the PWS 5.56 Diablo/MK110. How does the Primary Weapon System compare?

October 4, 2010, 07:36 PM	#12
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	I have owned a Colt HBar II for 11 years. I shot over 10,000 rounds through it's original upper before I sold it to a friend who was building an AR. I kept the lower and put a RRA Entry Tac upper on it. I am happy with it, even though it has that stupid grenade launcher notch. I have owned 2 RRA rifles and a Wilson Combat carbine as well. The RRAs function fine and shoot well but the fit and finish doesn't seem to be as good as my Colt. The Wilson had a permanently attached muzzle break because it was a AWB gun. I got rid of it when the ban ended. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

October 4, 2010, 08:40 PM	#13
Quentin2 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2009 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 1,996	I voted Colt since it is the best in your poll but would have chosen BCM if you had it. Hey how come you didn't have my FrankenAR listed... it's S&W (lower receiver), Del-Ton (LPK), BCM (receiver extension/M4 stock), ArmaLite (upper receiver), Wilson (barrel), Daniel Defense (BCG), Bushmaster (various parts), Colt/Cardinal Forge (carry handle), Colt/Anchor Harvey (cut carry handle), YHM (risers), Bushnell (RDS), MagPull (magazine), Marlin (scope), H&K (magazine) and CQB Solutions (sling)!

October 4, 2010, 09:28 PM	#14
RT Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2000 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,194	The difference b/t armalite and noveske is: the barrel steel, twist, chrome lining MPI and HPT testing, M16 bolt carrier, MPI bolt, HPT bolt, F marked FSB, Buffer weight, and probably more.

October 5, 2010, 12:14 AM	#15
FoxtrotRomeo Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2010 Posts: 487	To be honest, a complete AR? I build the best one. And you should too. If you get what I mean. I know the builders get it. __________________ "The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly." - Albert Einstein]

October 5, 2010, 12:43 AM	#17
chadwick76 Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 246	yes i do own a dpms, but i only shoot my larue and noveske 10.5 __________________ "I see dead people"........okay i really only see people i want dead!

October 30, 2010, 06:13 PM	#18
jwf1989 Member Join Date: September 29, 2010 Posts: 36	? how is the colt better then rra,armalite or bushmaster, ive shot all three and rra and armalite were nicer in my opinion but it dominated the poll? and the reason the others arnt on the poll is the price, i shldve put best under $1300 but seriousley ,is the pony emblem worth that much and in which ones have the best resale?

October 30, 2010, 07:03 PM	#19
pythagorean Junior member Join Date: January 27, 2008 Posts: 970	http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...=5&output=html

October 30, 2010, 07:11 PM	#20
10mmAuto Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2010 Posts: 598	Colts are typically pretty mediocre.

October 30, 2010, 08:17 PM	#22
10mmAuto Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2010 Posts: 598	My personal experience with issued M4s and 16s obviously doesn't have **** on this chart which is the definitive authority on the performance of various AR-15s. /s

October 30, 2010, 09:02 PM	#23
HKFan9 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Posts: 3,057	Yes everyone that was ever issued an AR platform is an expert on the matter. I voted for Colt, I sold my Colt, and my Stag shoots just as nice for half the money. Noveske and LMT BCM are better, but for the poll I would say Colt, for me, my Stag has been awesome. I don't crawl through mud with mine, or do water bound assaults, so my Stag works just fine for me. I trust my life to it in the conditions I would need to use it, and it always performs great when I take it out to shoot. I got my stag used off here by another member. Used the money from my colt for a different gun, and have been slowly tinkering and replacing parts on the Stag when I get extra time and money.... which is just as much fun as shooting the thing. An AR is an adult erector set, build your own, so you can't complain that said brand is bad, you put the labor in, you only have yourself to blame.

October 30, 2010, 09:06 PM	#24
redstategunnut Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 2009 Location: see name Posts: 405	There is objective proof that Colt makes the best gun on this list. Use your googlefu. Good grief.