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Old July 2, 1999, 09:37 AM   #1
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In another thread, it was stated that IDPA was becoming driven by CCW holders, and was neglecting other forms of "armed responce". In states where CCW is lawfully allowed without to much hassle, i.e. Florida, vs. states where it is not, i.e. California, what do your local clubs emphasize? I think this is a topic thats needs to be brought out for more comment.

My personal belief is that, at least at my home club and the few other clubs I have attended, that it has not. IDPA gave me the opportunity to take some basic self defensive skills and make them better. Matches and other shooters have showed me where I had bad habits and how to correct them and improve.

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Old July 7, 1999, 12:30 AM   #2
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No replies in four days?

I'm a bit relieved that JohnBoy's club shoots more than just CCW starting position stages. Perhaps my fears about IDPA are not reflective of the usual situation.

Personally, I've resisted getting a CCW permit because the government already has enough data on me. Multiplying the list of potential subversives which I appear on does not appeal to me. So, despite my color-code mindset, deployment from an everyday concealed carry is not likely. I still want to have that trick in my bag of skills, however!
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Old July 7, 1999, 01:19 PM   #3
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I, for one, was out of town.
Besides, I think everyone knows where I stand on the subject. I think Concealed Carry should be practiced ad naseum by anyone who actually carries concealed.

If you don't have a CCW permit and if you really don't carry concealed, I see no problem in your supporting "gun in hand" or "open carry" scenarios. Obviously, a uniform LEO should be able to compete from his duty rig.

I like the idea of a rare "gun in hand" scenario or a "gun on shelf"/"gun in drawer" scenario, but they should be the exception, not the rule, IMHO.

From a training point of view, everything you do from concealment can only enhance your abilities from other methods of carry/deployment. OTOH, if you don't constantly practice drawing from concelament, the one time you have to you could be at a real loss.

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Old July 7, 1999, 02:31 PM   #4
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In Ohio there is no CCW, but most of the IDPA clubs shoot from concealment occassionally.
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Old July 15, 1999, 02:04 AM   #5
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I don't see any place to 'store' a gun for easy access other than the holster on you. That is the only place that it is always available and always safely under your control. Check out the Dade County FBI shoot again and see how well having it on your seat works when Peter and his principle take over. It is rather obvious that the gun in the other room, etc may not be where you need it. Don't worry about the kids and their friends or any other scenarios, keep it in your holster. Now if I do that then I guess that it is ok if CCW considerations rule IDPA scenarios. Jim
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Old July 15, 1999, 02:27 PM   #6
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In the Miami massacre, the agent who lost his pistol had it in his lap. This certainly allows the pistol to go flying. On the other hand, placing the pistol under the weak side leg is very secure and probably the fastest way to access the handgun in the car. A hip holster can be somewhat clumsy to get at when you are belted in. The natural human tendency in a crash is to brace your feet against the floor, which makes a handgun under the leg even more secure.
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