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Old June 2, 2009, 07:04 AM   #1
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Nearing to perfection


All over the World, most of the gun enthusiasts know that;
-Glock is not the first polimer framed production pistol,
-Glock is not the first production pistol with precocked triggerwork,
-Neither the polimer composition nor the surface protection process
purely developed for solely Glock pistol...

The Producer deserves the term “Perfection” to the Glock...

What fact within this pistol that courages the producer to use such an
assertive term. Is there any “firsts” hidden therein... Appearently;
-Glock is the first production pistol with a cockable impact element
using the sear integrated with trigger bar,
-Glock is the first production 20th. century pistol with trigger remaining
at drawn back mode in uncocked position,
-Glock is the first 20th,century production pistol with a positive type
laterally working disconnector,
-Glock is the first pistol having passive safeties on each impact realising
elements as on trigger, sear and ,firing pin,
-And the Glock is the first production pistol realising these features
within a very simple and strong package in a small amount of pieces.

The efforts creating an ideal service pistol is to achieve a autoloading
handgun using standart ammunition with easiness and simplicity of a
revolver. Should a designer make a high capasity simple and strong pistol
with similar lockwork like a revolver, loading only inserting a magazine
without manual slide traction, he would pick up all the market share and
all producters nowadays have been trying to reach to near that goal.

Glock, with halfway cocking striker, nears mentioned target as
cooperated with very simple and strong lockwork. Here are some positive
feaures of Glock's approach;

On contrary to frame mounted hammer impact lockworks, the striker
impact elements provided with their all compression points, back and forth,
located within the slide, are cocked during the breechbolt going to battery
position. Or in other words, hammer impact types are cocked during slide
opening and striker impact versions during slide closing and they reach to
highest power on at full batery mode and this gives a very suitable advantage
for them getting rid of risk of battery off accidental firing.Therefore the
further breechblock from breech the lesser the risk of unintentional firing.

Halfway precocking provides the highest safety for possible accidental
discharges since comression power of striker being not enough to realise a
firing and additional travel to full cock and release stage is safe and
comfortable since needs no overweighted pull and lenght for trigger traction.

Discharging a round in the chamber is needed the movement of; trigger,
sear, and firing pin and Glock designers have had each of them of passive
safeties going away with manual trigger traction on its final stage. However,
these safeties may be found on other products and Glock' concept for
them is rather different; Main passive safety of Glock is “Drop Safety” and
it comes from pistol's nature since a sear integrated with trigger bar counts
overweighted as compared to the parts made sear alone and is highly subject to
outside impact's to give an accidental discharge. Therefore, a passive safety for
mentioned part is nearly compulsory. Glock's response for stated need is
“Safety Ramp” on which the trigger bar/sear to rest on until manual trigger
traction. This ramp is a part of polimer disconnector/ejector housing.The
backwardly forcing trigger spring facilitates sear movement during rearwardly
slide travel without trigger pull. Other two passive safeties seem rather
afterconstructed on Glock' lay out ,and the aim for trigger related
one is to prevent the accidental discharges to be occured by unwanted frictions
to trigger and inertia of trigger bar creating a kinetic weight to the sear-striker
connection by accidental drops. The third passive safety for firing pin or striker
carries quite different aim than standart ones since provided thereon for
accidental discharges occurable by unintential slide separation since guide
rails for the same are located as injected within the polimer frame. Standart
firing pin passive safeties are designed for separate firing pins to prevent
discharges caused by outside strikes on mainly hammer impact guns on
either hammer cocked or uncocked modes and since a striker impact gun
carries a live round in the chamber as on its cocked mode only,providing a
passive safety working on uncocked mode is really nounsence..Some other
pistols having steel to steel engagement of slide rails and slideand may not
have a striker passive safety. On the other hand ,the handguns having
precocked or cocked mode must have an automatic drop safety preventing
unintentionaly sear going out of engagement with impact element and only
a firing pin safety as named for said purpose is not enough since the real drop
safety should prevent not only a discharge but disengagement of the
sear-impact element to maintain the possible firing actuatable only by the
trigger movement without need a new cocking action.Therefore
single action pistols without a real drop safety are real compromises.

There were old autoloding pistols like Le Francais, Vz36, Vz38, Vz45
having real DAO features with trigger bars integrated with sear, but in
a pistol having an impact element remaining cocked or semicocked mode
during slide cycling there was never such a part of single piece trigger bar
and sear combination until Glock.

The use of a sear integrated with trigger bar brings some different kind of
disconnector systems and sidewardly acting one is one of the most simple
and wise solutions.But mentioned different part type seems rather
overtolerance needed as causing accidental discharges without the breechbolt
reaching full battery position. Positive disconnectors in production pistols
have mainly two kind of levers for said purpose; sliding, like Browning HP
and Luger, and camming like others ,and both of them needs some minimum
amount of cachtching clearance being not small of 2mm and especially
cammed versions found most of autoloaders said clearance is equal to the
height of camming piece and counts more than said tolerances and cammed
type Glock is not an exception. Therefore there is no pistol such a zero
tolerance for reaching battery on position and besides, Glock has the
advantage of striker firing system reaching dischargeable power, only
on fully closed mode.

All these mentioned features bring the Glock near to “Perfection”but do
they retain it on all over the life.

Users manual of Glock especially points out two “ should be avoided actions”
as directable to trigger and striker safety by means of which the warranty
would be gone off...,

Since trigger is constrantly forced backwards by its spring and trigger
automatic safety can catch it on forwardly position by a manual push
without slide action, retraction of slide causes striker leg to rideover the
sear over the polimer safety ramp and dents there as ruining the drop safety
and repeated slide trackings on this mode deepen the dent and polimer
striker sleeve as well, and on firing, dented safety ramp can not prevent
inertial impacts of slide causing sear and striker disconnection, and striker
forcefully strikes the striker safety body as hammering it and eventually
causing the same as hanging upwards on its recess to give free striker pass
during firing or an outside impact as causing slamfire or accidental fire.

Mentioned defects can be detected during periodical take downs and ruined
parts can be changed if pistol is in a location where the required parts being
available but in other case ,the neared perfection of pistol is on danger.
Most of unaddressed Glock accidents should be caused by mentioned kind
of misusing.

Stretch type coil spring used for the trigger, somewhatly weakens the
“ near to perfection” feature of Glock by cause of its engagement coils being
fragile during long range using but the construction of pistol can manage to
continue the firing as keeping the trigger pressed during slide cycling should
a trigger spring breakage occurs.

The meaning of fewer parts is stronger construction and ,durability especialy
against accidental impacts since the more of the parts and their inertia during
an impact, the much more of unintented strikes and rebounds within the
handgun to give unimaginable results... Glock, really nears to perfection on
mentioned department.

Polimer material can be thought as weak and inferior to steel or alloy versions
for frames especially on polimer sensitive, heat, solvent environments, or on
impacts but, if thought, most of steel framed types, carrying polimer grip plates
hiding vital parts thereunder with even weaker than frame polimer
composition material, to go to make the pistol unusable within the same
conditions, the superiority of metal frames.would really be questionable.

You may not love or like polimer handguns for their quick made appearance
but,with existing tempo of gunmanufacturing, gunlovers of a few decades
after will look at Glock, as a sample of “Masterpiece”.

Best regards
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Old June 2, 2009, 07:22 AM   #2
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Well......Thanks for that I guess.

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Old June 2, 2009, 09:48 AM   #3
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I thought I'd mess with you, too.
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Old June 2, 2009, 10:17 AM   #4
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Cliffs notes, please
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Old June 2, 2009, 10:23 AM   #5
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This kool-aid tastes kinda funny... :barf:

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Old June 2, 2009, 10:25 AM   #6
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Wow.... seriously dude, I'm a fan of the Glock design but, really, lay off the Kool-Aid.
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...they just don't plan not to.
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Old June 2, 2009, 10:29 AM   #7
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And yet...

...people still buy other "inferior" types of firearms...tsk tsk.

Welcome to TFL konuk.
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Old June 2, 2009, 10:41 AM   #8
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I like my Glocks, but that gave me a headache!
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Old June 2, 2009, 02:33 PM   #9
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A good kool-aid write up...
And an other welcome to the TFL.
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Old June 2, 2009, 02:39 PM   #10
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Sorry man, my ADD kicked in and I couldn't read that whole thing.
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Old June 2, 2009, 02:56 PM   #11
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Sorry man, my ADD kicked in and I couldn't read that whole thing.
now that's just darn funny!
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Old June 2, 2009, 09:11 PM   #12
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Can`t top that one Zilmo. Welcome to TFL konuk! Do you own any other brands of guns?
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Old June 2, 2009, 09:28 PM   #13
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Spell check is not your enemy, it may very well carry a Glock.

Glock, with halfway cocking striker, nears mentioned target as
cooperated with very simple
I got that far...

neeed alcohoooool
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Old June 2, 2009, 10:50 PM   #14
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Amazingly inferior first post on TFL, I cannot say with any sincerity that I will be looking forward to any future ones.:barf:
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Old June 2, 2009, 10:59 PM   #15
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I'm sorry, konuk, but this one has to be locked down. Your post is extremely hard to read and understand. The negative posts are only going to continue, so locking it will at least prevent that.

I realize that English is most likely not your native language (Turkey?), but English is the de facto language of this board. If you want to try for a better translation, please do.
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