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Old April 27, 2009, 07:58 AM   #1
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Blew up my NEW 92fs

So I go to the range on Friday with my brand new never been fired 92fs. First clip of the day, fourth round in rather than simply firing the bullet the gun kind of explodes in my hands. A piece of the gun flies back and hits me in the face hard enough to bring blood, the slide will not close fully and the trigger action is pushed out of the side of the gun. I’m not sure if this is the fault of the ammo or the gun itself. I’m looking for a little advice on how to approach the issue with Beretta. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:05 AM   #2
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Blow up

I would call Beretta customer sevice number from your paperwork or the Beretta website. They are going to want it back and should send a prepaid shipping box or have one delivered to you and picked up by a UPS driver like Ruger did on the Ruger recalls. You are lucky you did not lose an eye.
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:06 AM   #3
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what kind of ammo were you using? Tell us.
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:07 AM   #4
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I always wear eye protection when shooting. And certanly will after this.
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:07 AM   #5
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What kind of ammo were you shooting, i.e. reloads, +P+, etc.? Some manuals may explicitly state "not safe w/ "X" kind of ammo", so it's possible that if you were trying to shoot something like +P+, you might be on your own. But if you were using regular loads, BUSA should definitely fix it I would think. I would thoroughly read your owner's manual & maybe check the Beretta website, and then go about getting it fixed under warranty, especially if you bought it brand spankin' new from a gun shop or other dealer. Just my two cents, but good luck!
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:10 AM   #6
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:10 AM   #7
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Not even sure what kind of ammo. It was given to me with the purchase of my baby eagle 9mm. I figured cool free ammo.
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:12 AM   #8
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:50 AM   #9
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Not even sure what kind of ammo. It was given to me with the purchase of my baby eagle 9mm. I figured cool free ammo.
I guess my problem is that you aren't sure what you put in your gun. They might have been factory, though I have never known factory loads to blow up a gun. They might have been reloads, I have known reloads (usually from a gun show) to blow up guns. They might have been safe. They might not have been.

1) Call Beretta. Explain the situation. They will want to know what ammunition you were shooting. Tell them and you may void your warrantee. The alternative is to lie or omit and I'm not sure I could do so in good faith.

2) Take every "free" round that you are not SURE of the origin, and discard them. They might all be over pressure, or maybe it was a double charge. You don't know, and you won't know till another round has a problem.

3) Take a breath and realize that you escaped serious injury. Enjoy life a little more today.

Glad you are okay,

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Old April 27, 2009, 08:54 AM   #10
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Picture of the chamber. Is that part of a broken in half shell casing stuck in there?

Also. Any pics of the left side?
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Old April 27, 2009, 08:57 AM   #11
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yes it is. Ripped the back right off.
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Old April 27, 2009, 09:16 AM   #12
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Unknown reloads are always a bad idea. Not trying to be overly negative, but that "free" $20 worth of ammo may have just cost you a few hundred bucks.
Glad you are okay and weren't seriously hurt. Could have been much worse.
I hope you have good luck with Berretta on this, I'd be interested in what they say.
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Old April 27, 2009, 09:26 AM   #13
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Occasionally, factory loads do blow up firearms. More likely, though, the ammo of unknown origin caused the problem. I'd NEVER shoot "free ammo," unless I knew that free ammo was factory loads. I doubt that you'll get a free fix from Berreta; however, they might sell you a new pistol deeply discounted. (That's what Glock does in situations like this)

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Old April 27, 2009, 09:33 AM   #14
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either way, lesson learned.
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Old April 27, 2009, 09:37 AM   #15
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I have had the broken in half shell casing stuck happen to me, Glock 10mm and the ammo was American Eagle.

Just a suspicion. It appears you experienced a case rupture, violent enough to jack up your trigger, trigger spring, trigger bar, and still rip the spent casing in half. And your not sure of the ammo tells me it may be reloaded ( atomic ) ammo.

I hope you can pin down what ammo you used. And I wish you well with BUSA

This is the reason I will never use reloaded (gunshow) ammo again. I seriously jacked up a 9mm once with hot rodded ammo that I got at a steal at at gun show.
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Old April 27, 2009, 09:37 AM   #16
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I imagine berreta would take care of you (assuming you didn't mention the mystery ammo) I have not dealt with berreta but most the reputable gun manufacurers i have dealt with have taken care of me with new guns. they know people in gunshops talk. I won't give you another lecture on the ammo.
I have a bunch of 8mm mauser that I cant remeber buying and while I havent shot it I haven't disgarded either. I have a bucket off misfired ammo, I dont reload so I am not even sur what to do with it.
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Old April 27, 2009, 09:57 AM   #17
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Whatever you do. Do not lie to Beretta. It's not honorable.
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Old April 27, 2009, 10:29 AM   #18
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Don't throw away the ammo. Set it aside. Whoever gave it to you may owe you a new pistol if Beretta won't replace it (unlikely but possible). You may want to have some examples of this ammo on hand so you can prove that was the problem if everyone yells "wasn't my fault!" simultaneously.
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Old April 27, 2009, 10:44 AM   #19
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I am not suggessting he lie, but i doubt many people would point out they were using mystery ammo if not asked.
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Old April 27, 2009, 10:48 AM   #20
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I'm sure the ammo in question has a head stamp. Since the original poster doesn't know if it was reloads or not, he could simply state the manufacturers head stamp. Then he wouldn't be lying, he just wouldn't be telling all the details.
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Old April 27, 2009, 11:00 AM   #21
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If you're going to use re-loads, at least roll your own so you know what went into them and are willing to take responsibility for what you are feeding your gun.
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Old April 27, 2009, 11:14 AM   #22
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Has anyone used reloads from places like Georgia Arms? Seems like a big operationlike that would be a reasonable "third-party" reload source?
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Old April 27, 2009, 11:28 AM   #23
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Has anyone used reloads from places like Georgia Arms? Seems like a big operationlike that would be a reasonable "third-party" reload source?
Georgia Arms makes fine ammunition, in my opinion. I've never had any problems with any of their ammo.
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Old April 27, 2009, 11:29 AM   #24
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I’m not sure if this is the fault of the ammo or the gun itself.

Guns don't do this, ammo does this.

Hopefully Beretta will work with you on it, but if that was a reload, you will most likely be SOL.
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Old April 27, 2009, 11:44 AM   #25
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I'd wager that the round was an overcharge, just by looking at the pics.

Notice in pic #3 how the grip and trigger bar are bulged out. Plus the frame damage in pic #2. Waaaay to much pressure to crack the frame and blow out the trigger bar. The extractor shows a "loaded" status, so I'm guessing that the other half of the round is still attached to the breechface.

The pics are fairly fuzzy, but it appears as if the whole circumference of the case is jagged indicating the case burst due to high pressures. A simple case failure normally follows the path of lease resistance, which is usually toward the feed ramp.

It almost looks like the round detonated in the chamber.

As for your recourse, start off by calling Beretta USA customer service and be honest. I can't speak for Beretta USA's policies, but most companies will reapir it under warranty or repair the gun for a small cost (compared to the cost of a new pistol), reloads non-withstanding.

Most definitely keep the remaining rounds and try to identify the manufacturer, either by headstamp or by markings on the packaging. If this was factory ammo the manufacturer will want the ammo for lot verfication and testing. If this was reloaded ammo, you may have recourse as well by contacting the company that reloaded the ammo.

Glad you're OK. It certainly is a sobering experience when guns Kb!
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