Taurus PT 99 9mm

bob88144 · January 26, 2009, 09:04 PM

Got an offer to buy a Taurus PT 99 9m. Here is what the guy described it as...

It is LNIB with all that comes in box, manual, warranty card, lock, etc.
Comes with 4 mags all hi-cap. 2 17rders, and 2 15rders, and a tactical rail

He also left a URL and said that the pistol looked like this....

My question is how much would you give for one of these with the extras in a good condition.

Crankylove · January 26, 2009, 09:10 PM

I might go $350, but, I have never been a fan of anything that says Taurus. Too many problems with the one that have been in the family for me to spend a lot of money on one. My opion is biased, but, if you have a more open mind than I do

it may be worth more to you.

goodspeed(TPF) · January 27, 2009, 07:54 AM

$350.00 sounds fair but at the very least get REAL pics with a pic of the SN. GL,- Goodspeed

MMAWill · January 27, 2009, 08:26 AM

Beautiful gun. Although I'd have to agree that Taurus doesn't have a "great" reputation as far as their semis go. But who knows. See if he'll let you take it to the range and test shoot it a few times before buying it. If he stands behind his weapon, he shouldn't have a problem with that.

Officer's Match · January 27, 2009, 09:29 AM

Mid to low three's based strictly on having recently seen published print ad's for NIB one's going for high three's.

Market value only, as functionally they are among the very best 9mm's made. Mine are absolutely 100% positively the equal of any Glock 9mm with regards to reliability, noticeably better in accuracy, and don't suffer from susceptability to limp-wrist-induced FTF's that Glocks do (I don't hold that against Glocks as it truly is a user problem).

FrankenMauser · January 27, 2009, 10:10 PM

My vote is scrap value. Every Taurus in my family has been back to a repair facility... AT LEAST once; with one exception.

My PT-138 was such a worthless pile of crap, I didn't want to spend the cost of postage to repair it.

KyJim · January 27, 2009, 10:15 PM

I've had a Taurus PT 99 for over 20 years. It has always functioned flawlessly. I got it when the hi-cap rage started. Not my favorite pistol because the grip frame is chunky. But, as I said, it's been reliable.

Sevens · January 27, 2009, 10:48 PM

I will not argue that Taurus has had problems. A lot of problem with quality control and even more with customer service, and a LOT of traffic on this forum discussing problems with Taurus. If you went with the general tone of TFL, all Taurus is crap.

But most folks who have been around awhile will confidently tell you that their PT92/PT99 pistols are very, very good pistols. I bought mine in '94 to spite the Klintons when I really didn't even want a 9mm and it's become one of my most enjoyable handguns, and I have a few.

Never had even the slightest bit of trouble with my PT-99AF. They really are very good pistols.

Knowing what I know about my own, and the very solid reputation they built in the late 80s and early 90s on the strength of these pistols, I would absolutely go to $400.

There's not going to be a lot of "book value" on the pistol because it IS a Taurus, afterall, but if you want a solid shooter, it's well worth that money. If you are buying a pistol that you want to pass down to your kids, go look for a Colt.

kristop64089 · January 28, 2009, 07:12 AM

What is the difference between a PT99, and a PT92?

goodspeed(TPF) · January 28, 2009, 07:17 AM

99 has adj sights. ummmm, www.taurususa.com maybe?

Sevens · January 28, 2009, 10:48 AM

That's it, the only difference is the adjustable sights.

The Cliff's Notes version of the PT92/99 pistols:
In the 60s or 70s, the Brazilian Govt offered a contract for military sidearms, and one of the conditions of the contract was that they be made in Brazil. So Beretta bid and won, and built a factory to produce the pistols. They did so for a number of years. Eventually, they fulfilled the contract and it was time to cease operations. Beretta then sold the plant and the tooling for the pistols to the Brazilian company Forjas Taurus (Taurus Forging) and with it, they sold licensing or rights to produce the same pistols on the same equipment.

It may not have Beretta materials or Beretta quality control, but it's Beretta's design and equipment that produces them.

There is a difference between the Beretta 92F and the Taurus PT-92, mostly with regards to the safety. The Beretta uses a slide mounted safety setup along the line of S&W pistols. Taurus uses the old system of a frame mounted lever that allows the pistol to be carried cocked & locked, and also decocks the hammer when lowered all the way.

Many (most?) folks familiar with both pistols prefer the Taurus frame mounted safety/decocker. Most folks certainly admit that the Beretta pistols are much nicer in fit & finish and detail. And no, the magazines will not interchange, as the button clicks in to a slightly different spot between the two.

Some folks will tell you that the Taurus PT-92 is a cheap knockoff or ripoff of Beretta. Depending on you wish look at history, you could just as easily say that the current Beretta is an expensive knock-off of the original, while the Taurus is a cheaper version of the original.

Sturmgewehre · January 28, 2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

In the 60s or 70s, the Brazilian Govt offered a contract for military sidearms, and one of the conditions of the contract was that they be made in Brazil. So Beretta bid and won, and built a factory to produce the pistols. They did so for a number of years. Eventually, they fulfilled the contract and it was time to cease operations. Beretta then sold the plant and the tooling for the pistols to the Brazilian company Forjas Taurus (Taurus Forging) and with it, they sold licensing or rights to produce the same pistols on the same equipment.

It may not have Beretta materials or Beretta quality control, but it's Beretta's design and equipment that produces them.

It was a Beretta design and they were built on Beretta tooling. But technology has changed substantially since the 1960's and almost every manufacturing firm has updated their tools (the biggest change being CNC machines). So, the old tooling is probably long since gone.

Not only that, Taurus boasts about how they've changed their 92 series pistols and "improved" them over the original design. Given what I've seen of Taurus engineering, I would rather have an old Taurus that was made before the "improvements" and built on the original tooling with the original Beretta employees... all of which are long gone now.

azredhawk44 · January 28, 2009, 11:30 AM

I'd do $300 if I were without a handgun and in a financial pinch.

Otherwise, I'd save my money for a month or two and get something nicer.

starbuck · January 28, 2009, 12:08 PM

Quote:

you could just as easily say that the current Beretta is an expensive knock-off of the original

Considering that the 92FS can routinely be found for just under and just over $500.00 brand new, I'd hardly call it "expensive".

That being said, I'll second what azredhawk44 said. If you don't have a gun and don't have a lot of dough, get it.

My experiences with Taurus semi-autos has been...frustrating, to say the least.

View Poll Results: How much for a Taurus PT99 9mm with extras
< $300	6	20.00%
$300 - $400	19	63.33%
$400 - $500	5	16.67%
> $500	0	0%
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January 26, 2009, 09:04 PM	#1
bob88144 Junior Member Join Date: October 26, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 9	Taurus PT 99 9mm Got an offer to buy a Taurus PT 99 9m. Here is what the guy described it as... It is LNIB with all that comes in box, manual, warranty card, lock, etc. Comes with 4 mags all hi-cap. 2 17rders, and 2 15rders, and a tactical rail He also left a URL and said that the pistol looked like this.... My question is how much would you give for one of these with the extras in a good condition.

January 26, 2009, 09:10 PM	#2
Crankylove Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2008 Location: 8B ID Posts: 1,758	I might go $350, but, I have never been a fan of anything that says Taurus. Too many problems with the one that have been in the family for me to spend a lot of money on one. My opion is biased, but, if you have a more open mind than I do it may be worth more to you. __________________ The answer to 1984 is 1776

January 27, 2009, 09:29 AM	#5
Officer's Match Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2007 Location: LANCASTER,OHIO Posts: 3,944	Mid to low three's based strictly on having recently seen published print ad's for NIB one's going for high three's. Market value only, as functionally they are among the very best 9mm's made. Mine are absolutely 100% positively the equal of any Glock 9mm with regards to reliability, noticeably better in accuracy, and don't suffer from susceptability to limp-wrist-induced FTF's that Glocks do (I don't hold that against Glocks as it truly is a user problem). __________________ REAL EYES REALIZE REAL LIES

January 27, 2009, 10:48 PM	#8
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,769	I will not argue that Taurus has had problems. A lot of problem with quality control and even more with customer service, and a LOT of traffic on this forum discussing problems with Taurus. If you went with the general tone of TFL, all Taurus is crap. But most folks who have been around awhile will confidently tell you that their PT92/PT99 pistols are very, very good pistols. I bought mine in '94 to spite the Klintons when I really didn't even want a 9mm and it's become one of my most enjoyable handguns, and I have a few. Never had even the slightest bit of trouble with my PT-99AF. They really are very good pistols. Knowing what I know about my own, and the very solid reputation they built in the late 80s and early 90s on the strength of these pistols, I would absolutely go to $400. There's not going to be a lot of "book value" on the pistol because it IS a Taurus, afterall, but if you want a solid shooter, it's well worth that money. If you are buying a pistol that you want to pass down to your kids, go look for a Colt. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

January 27, 2009, 07:54 AM	#3
goodspeed(TPF) Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2009 Location: WI Posts: 1,162	$350.00 sounds fair but at the very least get REAL pics with a pic of the SN. GL,- Goodspeed

January 27, 2009, 08:26 AM	#4
MMAWill Member Join Date: November 11, 2008 Location: Crestview, FL Posts: 55	Beautiful gun. Although I'd have to agree that Taurus doesn't have a "great" reputation as far as their semis go. But who knows. See if he'll let you take it to the range and test shoot it a few times before buying it. If he stands behind his weapon, he shouldn't have a problem with that.

January 27, 2009, 10:10 PM	#6
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,554	My vote is scrap value. Every Taurus in my family has been back to a repair facility... AT LEAST once; with one exception. My PT-138 was such a worthless pile of crap, I didn't want to spend the cost of postage to repair it.

January 27, 2009, 10:15 PM	#7
KyJim Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 9,143	I've had a Taurus PT 99 for over 20 years. It has always functioned flawlessly. I got it when the hi-cap rage started. Not my favorite pistol because the grip frame is chunky. But, as I said, it's been reliable.

January 28, 2009, 07:17 AM	#10
goodspeed(TPF) Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2009 Location: WI Posts: 1,162	99 has adj sights. ummmm, www.taurususa.com maybe?

January 28, 2009, 10:48 AM	#11
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,769	That's it, the only difference is the adjustable sights. The Cliff's Notes version of the PT92/99 pistols: In the 60s or 70s, the Brazilian Govt offered a contract for military sidearms, and one of the conditions of the contract was that they be made in Brazil. So Beretta bid and won, and built a factory to produce the pistols. They did so for a number of years. Eventually, they fulfilled the contract and it was time to cease operations. Beretta then sold the plant and the tooling for the pistols to the Brazilian company Forjas Taurus (Taurus Forging) and with it, they sold licensing or rights to produce the same pistols on the same equipment. It may not have Beretta materials or Beretta quality control, but it's Beretta's design and equipment that produces them. There is a difference between the Beretta 92F and the Taurus PT-92, mostly with regards to the safety. The Beretta uses a slide mounted safety setup along the line of S&W pistols. Taurus uses the old system of a frame mounted lever that allows the pistol to be carried cocked & locked, and also decocks the hammer when lowered all the way. Many (most?) folks familiar with both pistols prefer the Taurus frame mounted safety/decocker. Most folks certainly admit that the Beretta pistols are much nicer in fit & finish and detail. And no, the magazines will not interchange, as the button clicks in to a slightly different spot between the two. Some folks will tell you that the Taurus PT-92 is a cheap knockoff or ripoff of Beretta. Depending on you wish look at history, you could just as easily say that the current Beretta is an expensive knock-off of the original, while the Taurus is a cheaper version of the original. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

January 28, 2009, 11:30 AM	#13
azredhawk44 Junior member Join Date: September 28, 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 6,465	I'd do $300 if I were without a handgun and in a financial pinch. Otherwise, I'd save my money for a month or two and get something nicer.

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