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Old February 19, 2009, 06:28 PM   #26
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I hope this individual, whom I do not know personally, was just spewing off at the mouth. My brother and I are already having to fight for our towing liscense's from the state due to the fact we have one speeding ticket from a few years back and they concider this a criminal record. After I had listend to this stranger at the truck stop, it kinda made sense after what I am going through with the state. I hated to think this would also prevent me from owning a gun as well.
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Old February 20, 2009, 04:47 PM   #27
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I don't know about any federal licenses falling under the patriot act. Sounds to me like somebody trying to spread some conspiracy theory.
Isn't it interesting, though, that when it's some random individual that believes such a thing, it's called for the rubbish it is, but when a police officer believes it, you're in for legal expenses? Just sayin'.

Regarding the original topic, the point made about poll taxes is a good one.

The other point brought up about sneaking provisions in there is also good.

The antis claim from one side of their mouth that gun owners are some kind of irrelevant minority, yet they admit from the other side of their mouth that gun owners' votes can cost a candidate the Presidency.

Licensing is like a loophole in reverse. They make a hole you have to pass through, instead of going around it. Gradually, that hole gets smaller until it's gone, and the open space where you used to pass is now a brick wall that spans the horizon.
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Old February 20, 2009, 07:31 PM   #28
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I dont trust any of 'em

I see the bill making stealthy headway when the power structure knows the fight for "important" issues like socializing the banking or healthcare system will distract from a MUCH more important issue. *Firearm ownership*.

I didnt mean to raz ya but I am getting a bit concerned. The spike in gun sales over the past year aint for the firehall turkey shoot come this fall.

I dont trust any of 'em.
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Old February 23, 2009, 08:52 PM   #29
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My favorite parts of the bill comes on page 8, lines 1 through 4 and lines 21 and 22.

Section 102 (a)(6). This is where I certify that I will keep any firearm owned by me safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not obtained the age of 18. (Our kids will just have to get their firearms off the streets.)

And Sec 103 (a)(7)(E) And any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate. (Now that is clear as mud!)

I am not so sure that this bill will fly. It is destined to have the same fate it did earlier unless there are some major changes. But stranger things have happened.

I am just glad he didn't take a shot at my flintlock.
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Old February 24, 2009, 04:00 PM   #30
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For info's sake - here's snopes take on the bill:
NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens
Being an Academic Shooter
Being an Active Shooter
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Old March 10, 2009, 10:53 AM   #31
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hr45 hr17 hr197

While you are urging them to vote nay on Hr45 urge them to vote Yea on Hr17 and Hr197. Type them in your search engine and check them out. I have contacted both of my state senators, all of my surrounding representatives and the leaders in the house and senate. Let's show them that we are tired of being the silent majority!!! stay safe
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Old March 11, 2009, 06:03 AM   #32
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HR 45 collective letter

The website that crstrode referred to is in the process of composing a collective letter to be sent to the members of congress in opposition to passage of HR 45. While you are there you may want to check out HR 17 and HR 197, which are good bills. stay safe
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Old April 16, 2009, 02:14 PM   #33
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I Have contacted my Represenative here in Arkansas to oppose this bill, and i urge everyone to do the same. Before it's to late. This thing is bad news for gun owners!!
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Old April 20, 2009, 08:28 PM   #34
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HR 45...

My dad sent me this and usually I am well ahead of him due to TFL and other sites. This one slipped by me...
What say ya'll? Is it dead yet, or going forward? come on... I know some of ya'll are researching this fully...
And the thomas link...
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Old April 20, 2009, 08:38 PM   #35
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H.R. 45 is a dead issue for this legislative session.
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Old May 11, 2009, 03:19 PM   #36
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Laughed so hard my ears popped at this one.
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Old May 12, 2009, 08:52 PM   #37
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Laughed so hard my ears popped at this one.
I wish I could still laugh at it. I have several conversations about this every day, which now end with me saying, "it's not going anywhere. You need to go back to whoever told you this and tell them to stop spreading it around."

Then the NRA called me Sunday morning, trying to get me all panicky about it. I'm a member, and always will be, but they're really barking up the wrong tree with this. There's other legislation more worthy of our concern, time and energy. The rep had his pre-rehearsed talking points, and wouldn't let up.

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Old May 13, 2009, 11:09 AM   #38
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