The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Conference Center > Law and Civil Rights

Closed Thread
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old January 28, 2009, 01:51 PM   #251
Glenn E. Meyer
Join Date: November 17, 2000
Posts: 18,721
Well, I thought the issue was the gun show loophole but I've said all my brain can hold and commented on some of the stuff said.

Till the Talmud decides our political issues - I'll leave the battlefield on this one.
NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens
Being an Academic Shooter
Being an Active Shooter
Glenn E. Meyer is offline  
Old January 28, 2009, 01:54 PM   #252
Junior member
Join Date: November 25, 2002
Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 14,172
Simply because a current background check during a federally licensed transfer, i.e. between an FFL and a non-licensee, is constitutional, it does not also follow that requirement of such approval for transactions between non-licensees would also pass.
It would if the Federal law was narrowly drawn...conversely a Federal law requiring California style private transfers probably wouldnt

WildcommerceAlaska ™
Wildalaska is offline  
Old January 28, 2009, 05:31 PM   #253
Senior Member
Join Date: December 15, 2001
Location: Winter Haven, Florida
Posts: 4,303
Guns are controlled because they are dangerous - in theory. Some argue tht they shouldn't be controlled anymore than cigarettes. However, there are strong controls over the purchase of various and extremely dangerous toxins. I used to work with stuff that would have quite a lot of 'stopping power'. They could even be used as 'arms' if you like the chemical warfare path.
We recently had a local guy get mad at some people, dump gasoline on them and burn two of them to death. Don't even have to be 18 to buy a gallon.

You can't regulate everything.

I'm a number person. How many gun transfers are there in the US each year? How many of them are FTF without a FFL? How many of those are bad guys buying guns?

Are we willing to pass a law that will cost thousands of people millions of dollars in FFL fees each year and another stack of papers to maintain forever just to stop a few hundred people from buying guns that they will simply get somewhere else?
Hkmp5sd is offline  
Old January 28, 2009, 10:39 PM   #254
Senior Member
Join Date: October 30, 2005
Location: NWFL
Posts: 3,029
Which I think makes a pretty strong argument to strengthen the system. Thanks.
Or a pretty strong statement that the system is a waste of time and money in addition to being an infringement.
It just depends on if you are pro freedom or pro nanny state.
DonR101395 is offline  
Old January 29, 2009, 09:34 PM   #255
Tennessee Gentleman
Senior Member
Join Date: March 31, 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,623
Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer
Well, I thought the issue was the gun show loophole but I've said all my brain can hold and commented on some of the stuff said.
Yeah we have drifted quite a bit into crime, and neurotoxins and aztec temples. The good news is that gun owners can disagree and don't have to hold to a party line. For that I thank the mods and the forum. Some of us believe that there can be reasonable controls on firearms and won't descend down the slippery slope to banned firearm ownership. Some think virtually any control of firearms is an infringement of their constituitional rights and that's OK too.

Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer
I'll leave the battlefield on this one.
As will I as I think I too have said my piece on this subject. I look forward to the next discussion
"God and the Soldier we adore, in time of trouble but not before. When the danger's past and the wrong been righted, God is forgotten and the Soldier slighted."
Anonymous Soldier.
Tennessee Gentleman is offline  
Old January 30, 2009, 12:35 AM   #256
Al Norris
Join Date: June 29, 2000
Location: Rupert, Idaho
Posts: 9,540
It's been a good discussion, even if it has drifted a few times.

All in all, I think just about everything has been said and we are all running in circles. So let's gracefully end this.

Thanks everyone for a great discussion.
Al Norris is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:10 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2016 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent:
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.12292 seconds with 7 queries