Is the Democratic Party coming around?

Webleymkv · January 13, 2009, 03:55 PM

I noticed in my local paper the other day that Virginia Governor Tim Kaine has been named as the new Chairman of the DNC. Everything I've found about this guy has shown him to be at least less hostile to RKBA if not even mildy pro-gun. Does anyone know anything else about Gov. Kaine?

LucifersPants · January 13, 2009, 04:16 PM

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Is the Democratic Party coming around

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No, they're not...not as long as there are still tragedies to be exploited for one's politcal glory.

JWT · January 13, 2009, 04:21 PM

Can pigs fly???

luvsasmith · January 13, 2009, 04:28 PM

LOL

johnwilliamson062 · January 13, 2009, 04:39 PM

Everyone in Ohio is pretty happy with Stricklands 2A record.

alloy · January 13, 2009, 04:51 PM

i dont know but Virginia is often slow to change and doesnt really handle radical views too well. old state, bible belt, tobacco money, military presence...alot of things.
radicals dont seem to get the cushy spotlight here like cali. coulda done worse i guess. MOR.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/...un_Control.htm

Bartholomew Roberts · January 13, 2009, 05:14 PM

Well, they have a commanding number of votes in the House and Senate and Obama has appointed several longstanding anti-gun types to his Administration. I suppose we will get to see what kind of progress has been made in the coming year; but color me skeptical still.

dm1333 · January 13, 2009, 05:25 PM

Tim Kaine might be a small step in the right direction but Feinstein, Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Schumer and a whole host of others are still around. Don't forget about the nominee for AG, either.

Webleymkv · January 13, 2009, 05:30 PM

Oh make no mistake, I'm not about to go switching parties (there are too many other issues that I care about) nor do I think that I'm gonna see Ted Kennedy or Chuch Schumer at the next gun show perusing the AR's and AK's. However, I'm seeing an increasing number of pro or at least less anti-RKBA Democrats to give me hope that perhaps the party in general is moving on to other issues (after all, harping on gun control hasn't worked too well for them in the past 15 years).

Hkmp5sd · January 13, 2009, 06:13 PM

The big question is whether this new wave of pro-gun democrats stay pro-gun whenever the party is telling them to vote for the next ban.

Dust Monkey · January 13, 2009, 07:01 PM

No.

pmeisel · January 13, 2009, 07:44 PM

John Dingell is probably as pro 2A as anyone can be. I met him once and he told me he spent 35% of his time on that. Don't judge every Democrat by Schumer.

tube_ee · January 13, 2009, 08:18 PM

As I think it violates the new L&CR policy.

Maybe the mods will let it ride, but I'm doubtful.

To answer your question... yes. Slowly, and not all of it, but yes.

Down here at the roots of the grass, the wind has changed. And the growth areas for the party are places where gun control just won't sell. Montana, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia... you can't win in these states as an anti.

Schumer, DiFi, Kennedy... yeah, they're beyond hope. But they're all going away.

If we can hold what we've got for 10 years, this fight will be pretty much over... we'll have won. We are winning now.

Expanding the pro-gun-rights group to liberals and moderate Democrats is the only growth area we've got. There will not be a significant increase in the numbers of Republicans / Conservatives. So if you're relying only on that cohort, we lose.

Unless, of course, your definition of "winning" is "get Republicans elected" rather than "preserve and expand gun ownership rights for everyone".

Also, don't underestimate the importance of Heller, and the change in legal scholarship that contributed to it. It's huge. It gets downplayed quite a bit, both because it didn't give everybody everything they wanted right now!!!, and because it's not something that anybody alive has ever seen happen. One of the original Bill of Rights Amendments just got defined, for the first time in over two centuries.

It's ironic, really. The ground shifted under everyone's feet, and the Bradys were the only ones who felt it for what it was. We, on the other hand, complained about the biggest victory we've had in the history of the fight.

--Shannon

LucifersPants · January 13, 2009, 10:40 PM

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As I think it violates the new L&CR policy.

Maybe the mods will let it ride, but I'm doubtful.

Near as I can tell the rules are whatever the mods feel like they should be at a particular moment. Some really stupid threads, I mean like 'Forest Gump' stupid, go on for days while others are shut down in minutes. Which ones get stomped on and which ones don't is actually one of the most entertaining things about this site.

Al Norris · January 14, 2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tube_ee

As I think it violates the new L&CR policy.

Yes it does. The thread is purely political in nature. It is not about a law or some civil rights issue.

Luciifer, your welcome to your opinion, as false as it may be.

Closed.

January 13, 2009, 03:55 PM	#1
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	Is the Democratic Party coming around? I noticed in my local paper the other day that Virginia Governor Tim Kaine has been named as the new Chairman of the DNC. Everything I've found about this guy has shown him to be at least less hostile to RKBA if not even mildy pro-gun. Does anyone know anything else about Gov. Kaine?

January 13, 2009, 04:28 PM	#4
luvsasmith Senior Member Join Date: September 20, 2008 Posts: 358	LOL __________________ "You can't miss fast enough to win a gun fight."

January 13, 2009, 07:01 PM	#11
Dust Monkey Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2007 Posts: 723	No. __________________ Civilian Date: 14 Century 1 : a specialist in Roman or modern civil law. If you are not subject to the UCMJ, you are a Civilian. I don't care one bit what updated dictionaries say.

January 13, 2009, 07:44 PM	#12
pmeisel Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2008 Location: WV Posts: 271	John Dingell is probably as pro 2A as anyone can be. I met him once and he told me he spent 35% of his time on that. Don't judge every Democrat by Schumer. __________________ Paul

January 13, 2009, 08:18 PM	#13
tube_ee Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2004 Posts: 492	This is gettin' locked... As I think it violates the new L&CR policy. Maybe the mods will let it ride, but I'm doubtful. To answer your question... yes. Slowly, and not all of it, but yes. Down here at the roots of the grass, the wind has changed. And the growth areas for the party are places where gun control just won't sell. Montana, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia... you can't win in these states as an anti. Schumer, DiFi, Kennedy... yeah, they're beyond hope. But they're all going away. If we can hold what we've got for 10 years, this fight will be pretty much over... we'll have won. We are winning now. Expanding the pro-gun-rights group to liberals and moderate Democrats is the only growth area we've got. There will not be a significant increase in the numbers of Republicans / Conservatives. So if you're relying only on that cohort, we lose. Unless, of course, your definition of "winning" is "get Republicans elected" rather than "preserve and expand gun ownership rights for everyone". Also, don't underestimate the importance of Heller, and the change in legal scholarship that contributed to it. It's huge. It gets downplayed quite a bit, both because it didn't give everybody everything they wanted right now!!!, and because it's not something that anybody alive has ever seen happen. One of the original Bill of Rights Amendments just got defined, for the first time in over two centuries. It's ironic, really. The ground shifted under everyone's feet, and the Bradys were the only ones who felt it for what it was. We, on the other hand, complained about the biggest victory we've had in the history of the fight. --Shannon

January 13, 2009, 04:21 PM	#3
JWT Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 3,888	Can pigs fly???

January 13, 2009, 04:39 PM	#5
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Everyone in Ohio is pretty happy with Stricklands 2A record.

January 13, 2009, 05:14 PM	#7
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Well, they have a commanding number of votes in the House and Senate and Obama has appointed several longstanding anti-gun types to his Administration. I suppose we will get to see what kind of progress has been made in the coming year; but color me skeptical still.

January 13, 2009, 05:25 PM	#8
dm1333 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2005 Posts: 401	Tim Kaine might be a small step in the right direction but Feinstein, Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Schumer and a whole host of others are still around. Don't forget about the nominee for AG, either.

January 13, 2009, 05:30 PM	#9
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	Oh make no mistake, I'm not about to go switching parties (there are too many other issues that I care about) nor do I think that I'm gonna see Ted Kennedy or Chuch Schumer at the next gun show perusing the AR's and AK's. However, I'm seeing an increasing number of pro or at least less anti-RKBA Democrats to give me hope that perhaps the party in general is moving on to other issues (after all, harping on gun control hasn't worked too well for them in the past 15 years).

January 13, 2009, 06:13 PM	#10
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	The big question is whether this new wave of pro-gun democrats stay pro-gun whenever the party is telling them to vote for the next ban.