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Accuracy out of a snub can be quite good
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Don't let the Bill Jordan worship get out of hand. He was an accomplished writer and apparently a quick draw, but the only shooting he was ever involved in was an accidental discharge where he killed the agent in the next office. He didn't tell that story much.
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22 mag and 22's
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My wife hates shooting my 38 specials. She is very sensitive to recoil. It's enough to make her not want to practice. She doesn't even like my super-light cowboy action loads from a heavy .357. They feel like a .22 to me. But her perception is everything. I will only buy what she would feel comfortable practicing with.
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If all a person can handle is a .22 Mag, then get one
They certainly can be used for defense, but I think there are many better choices out there that have low recoil. If the .22 is as much as she can handle, than that is obviously the best choice-better to hit with a .22 than miss with a .38, but I don't think too many people would have a problem with .38 target loads, for example.
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Air guns come to mind.
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Been on vacation - wanted to post the comparable velocities between a snub 22 mag and a 22 LR Semi-Auto. The S&W 351 PD has a 1 7/8 inch barrel. The Ruger Mark III has a 5 1/2 inch bull barrel:
351 PD 50 Grain Federal Game-Shok 850 FPS 40 Grain CCI Maxi-Mag HV TMJ 964 FPS 34 Grain Winchester Supreme HP 1135 FPS 30 Grain CCI Maxi-Mag HP+V 1214 FPS 30 Grain CCI Maxi-Mag TNT 1162 FPS Mark III 36 Grain Federal HP 1052 FPS 36 Grain Remington Golden HP 1029 FPS 36 Grain CCI HP Mini Mag 1068 FPS 32 Grain CCI Stinger 1290 FPS |
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I would take the 38 snub over either of the 22s.
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I just stumbled across this thread and I thought I would reignite the flame war. I am a 20 year LEO. One of my favorite carry guns is a light weight, J frame size revolver, but they all recoil horrifically with any +P loads. I recently purchased a Ruger LCR (and sold my S&W 340) since the LCR appreciably diminishes perceived recoil, though it is still rather stout.
I have also become convinced of the effectiveness of a 22WMR in a J frame size revolver for self defense purposes. The 22 WMR has near zero recoil which allows for quicker follow up shots. Additionally the the gun (S&W 351PD) carries seven rounds, as opposed to five. One of the things I most like about the 351PD is that it allows the use of a a "lip grip", seen here. http://www.collinscraftgrips.com/pis...rip+Dymondwood Attempting to use a grip this small on any 38 is not only painful, but I have to readjust my hand after each round resulting in slow follow up shots. Another benefit to the 22WMR is relatively less expensive ammo, and the ability to carry alot more of it...should that become necessary. To round out my "Bug Out" kit, I plan to buy one of these take down 22 Magnum rifles when they become available later this year: http://www.majesticarms.com/id3.html I have no doubt that a .38 would be more effective, but I also feel that a 22WMR is effective enough. No one wants to get shot! And I think there are some positive advantages to 7 rounds of 22WMR as opposed to five rounds of .38 +P. I feel well armed with either.
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.22 vs .38
I have a walther P22 and use CCI stinger 30 grain HPs (1640fps) sometimes as my CCW piece. I like the relative power and low recoil. however, the sound is rather loud....
ALso, the light weight is a huge benefit....i feel that this gun is especialy popular with women due to the comfortable grip....recoil in my opinion is very controllable. Last edited by Cougar 8000; August 29, 2009 at 01:27 PM. |
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I also am of the opinion that a lady should carry what she has supreme confidence in using.
My GF has shot my large frame .40 some. She has also shot a 3" .38. Less than desirable COM groups with either. However, she can consistently place 7 shots in a 3" circle at 7 yds with her little .32 auto very quickly. Our thinking on this is she's better off with 7 for sure. FWIW her backup is a .38 2 shot derringer.
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Funny I had a conversation with a person because I was carrying a 9mm adn they gave me so much hell saying that it wasn't powerful enough and it would probably just make the inturder mad if you shot him with it! I calmy replied in a joking manner but sternly that if its that bad then let me shoot them in the toe at 50 yrds cuz it probalby won't hurt! The point being not that i would actually shot at a innocent person but that if you are accurate with anything it is potentally lethal in your hands! I remember a while back that a 13 year old girl shot a ferrel hog out of a tree with a .177 caliber souped up bb gun! She killed it instantly with one shot! Now Im sure she had praticed alot with it, but the point being that you can't put down what someone carrys just because its small! I think personally You shoot best with what you pratice the most with! In my case this would probaly be my single six Ruger in .22 LR! cuz i can spend $15 dollars and get 500 rounds! Another reason i like to use this is cuz after practicing with the single six I move up to my SBH in .44 magnum and can shoot very good. Its very easy to practice with the same style gun and be very effecient when I move up to the Big calibers!
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My Wife is recoil sensitive...
.......due to back and neck problems. I got her a Taurus 605 and she did well with it, with .38s. At our first outing with it I had 1 .357 round left and let her try it to see what it felt like. She looked at me and said: " What? Only one?". If she's been around firearms before, she'll probably surprise you. My wife only likes revolvers and learned on a .357 when she was 12. I just had to change out those boot grips for a set of Pach Compacs so she had a full grip.
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Jeff Quinn of gunblast.com does not seem to agree with many opinions here about the .22 magnum handgun.
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A little under 200 ft-lbs of energy in the Automag handgun. I think the 75 ft-lbs the .38 has on the .22 magnum might be offset by the ablity of the recoil sensative shooter to get off multiple rounds. The big difficulty seems to be finding the .22 magnum autofeed handgun and wanting to carry a 5", or 6" barreled handgun. Short barrel ... I would think even the .38 is low level protection.
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Dont underestimate the .22mag! Out of a rifle barrel it has the energy of a .45 ACP, out of a revolver its not a breeze either.
And boy, it does penetrate! Thats from a 2'' revolver barrel, its a 40 grain JHP, penetrate 14''. Source: http://www.brassfetcher.com/22%20Mag...Mag%20JHP.html If you compare it with the .32 ACP I'll take the .22mag anyday. .32ACP out of a pocket pistol: .38 special also does not look oh-so good. (158 grain HP) All pics and data from brassfetcher.com Last edited by Moloch; August 29, 2009 at 08:41 PM. |
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snubnose vs small semi-auto
I've owned snubnose revolvers (Ruger SP101 and LCR). I no longer own any snubbies. Currently, the only revolvers I own are 4", K-frame or bigger (S&W Models 18 and 29-8, and Ruger GP100).
However, I still own small semi-autos (Kahr PM-9, CZ75D PCR, SIG P239), along with full-size autos. The reason I got rid of my snubnose revolvers is that I could never shoot them as well as I could shoot my small autos. This isn't to say I couldn't shoot them well; frankly, I shot the snubbies better than most people I'd see at the range. The problem is that I could shoot groups easily twice as tight with the small autos. So, with a small auto, I get more hits, faster; I also have much faster reload capability. The only advantage to the snub, IMO, is that its outline looks less "handgun-like" in a pocket hoster than does the outline of the small auto. Well, that and you have a wider range of ammo choices, without concern for cycling. That said, my P239 and CZ PCR have never had a feed or ejection failure. The jury is still out on the Kahr. However, for pure shootability, at least for me, the snubbie is far from optimal. I haven't tried derringers, yet; I suspect snubbies are easier to shoot than those, at least. |
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What about a Ruger SP101 DAO with a 3" barrel? No one will ever accuse it of being too light and when you get the DAO version the trigger is much better than the DA/SA version.
Here is a picture of one off GunsAmerica: Edit: Just saw this thread was almost a year old. Oh well...
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38 special. What did she end up getting? Tim
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FWIW
A lot of opinions here. I'll add mine. A S&W K or L frame DA revolver with 3-4" barrel loaded with 38+P personal defense loads is always a good choice.
For my money, it would be a model 65 (357), stainless steel, fixed sight revolver with (preferrably) 3" barrel and a set of CT Lasergrips. Concealable, manageable, and affordable. Quick almost nonexistant learning curve. Gotta remember, shooting on a regular basis aint cheap anymore. The Lasergrips are key! Stoke it up/ stoke it down. Versatility personified . -JMHO-
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Lasergrips vs practice
I can tell you from experimentation, that while I really like some of the advantages lasers afford, it's very hard to see a laser in daylight conditions. I'm all for lasers, but don't neglect your iron sights or point-shooting skills.
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She doesn't need a gun....
If she can handle only the 22mag she might want to consider mace instead.
I'll readily admit that the mace will not be as effective as the 22mag however if the carrier is too timid to shoot a snub or a small 380 then she is probably better off with a cell phone or mace. She'll just end up getting shot with her own 22 mag. Last edited by MWark; August 30, 2009 at 12:50 AM. |
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