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Old July 29, 2008, 06:45 PM   #1
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Remington 514 accuracy

I've given up looking for a Mossy hammerless 22. I'm sure they are great and accurate rifles as I hear on this forum and others. But I have decided that I don't want any bolt guns that I can't remove the bolt to clean from the chamber end.

Enough of that.
I am looking at some old Remington 5teen series guns. I prefer single shot but I don't mind the clip fed. I have seen some Remington 514s for sale. Do they compare in accuracy terms to the 510/511 ect.? Someone posted on another forum that they are not the same firing mechinism and they are not of the same quality as the others. I have heard that they have a propensity to break extractors and none of them have the ability to mount a scope unless they are drilled and tapped for a special 514 weaver mount.
I have heard of fixes for the extractor problem and I know a gunsmith who will drill and tap the rifle for scope mount as well, so these issues arn't a big deal for me.
What I want to know is if this rifle is as accurate a shooter as has been said about it's slightly different 510/511/521 brethren? I could do pretty good to hit a nickle at 80 or so yards with CCI stingers out of an old Marlin M25 my brother used to have. Some have stated similar accuracy from a Remington 511.

(We wanted to shoot 100 yards where my brother and I were shooting nickls back in high school, but there was only room for 80 yard range roughly.)
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Old July 30, 2008, 01:01 PM   #2
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The 514 has a light barrel but is accurate enough. It is definitely a less expensive gun than the 510-513 series. Frankly, I would wait and spend some extra money to get a 510 or 511 (clip repeater) which are higher quality. A Winchester 75, 69 or 57 would also be a good choice.

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Old July 31, 2008, 07:14 PM   #3
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513S for sale

Thanks for your response.

What is up with the 513S? I saw one for sale also, actually it might have been an auction site, but anyways it was listed at over $700. Are these like what the 40xr sporter was to the other 40x rimfires, a higher grade custom type gun?

I am possibly holding out for a 510 if I can find one but a local gunshop has tucked away in a corner, a 511 with an old scope mounted and they want $95 for the combo! I might have to go for that. I can't quite tell what scope model it is. The bluing is about 85% on that gun but $95 is still good. Someone has informed me that some 514s came with dovetail grooves on the reciever. As far as mounting a scope there seems to be a little more material for the reciever bridge on the 510/511/512 compared to that on the 514. Also the 510 series have the handle bent down more to clear a scope with a bell ocular, can you even mount anything other than a straight tube scope on the 514 as it seems the handle would not clear it?
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Old July 31, 2008, 08:05 PM   #4
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The 513S (IIRC) is the 513 with factory installed iron sights. IMHO, the price you mention is ridiculous unless it was owned by Gen. Patton.

For target work, the 513 is good and reasonably priced, but of course not in the same league as the superb Remington Model 37 or Winchester 52. Also the 513 has a heavy barrel and a large stock, which seem to be the opposite of what you are looking for.

The later 5xx Remingtons have grooved receivers. I am not sure when the industry went to that for .22s but my vintage about 1950 Model 511 has no grooves. I am not sure about mounting a large scope on those rifles with the normal mount, but you can always use a high mount.

Frankly, $95 for a 510 with a scope doesn't sound bad. They usually go for $80-90 without a scope.

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Old July 31, 2008, 08:38 PM   #5
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I paid $125 for my grooved receiver 511 a few years back to replace the one confiscated by the overzealous PD 10 years ago. It has a 4x Weaver on it. My latest acquisition, a 50s vintage 512 is not grooved but is drilled and tapped for the Mossberg 22 mount. If you have the drilled and tapped large holes that are 1 5/8" apart, you need the Mossy mount. It can be obtained from Havlin Sales in Missouri. I haven't been able to figure out why the 513s are so pricey. Nostalgia maybe? I'd rather have a newer 581 myself.
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Old August 13, 2008, 09:14 AM   #6
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5 years ago I was still getting Rem 510s for $60, now they are more like $160.

I drill and tap them, and put Weaver mounts on them.

It varies with ammo, but they average 1" 5 shot groups at 50 yards.
I have shot one group that is 0.2" 5 shot at 50 yards, but that is the kind of anomaly to be carried in the wallet.

Doing a trigger job on a 510 series rifle is not easy.
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Old August 13, 2008, 01:40 PM   #7
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If you have your heart set on a 5something Remington 22, try to find a 541T or 541S. They are superb shooters and very attractive looking to boot.
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Old August 14, 2008, 08:53 AM   #8
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I have a Remington 512 tube fed which is very accurate. I have always found the older Remington 22s very accurate. The rifling in those guns is very shallow but they really shoot!
I had a 500 series single shot that I killed more groundhogs with than any other gun! Those were the days, crawling in the grass and getting within 75 yards with Winchester Super X hollow points - if you got him in the upper chest or head you had your pig!
My first gun that I really used was a Mossberg 46B because it held 30 short cartridges - my first crow fell to that rifle under an old snag tree! Those early (and late) Mossbergs were fantastic rifles as well as the Stevens Target rifle.
The 22 breech pressure runs 25,000 cup, I'm told - more than the 38 special! (with super X 22 L.R. H.P.)
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