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Old May 23, 2008, 07:55 PM   #1
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Sprinfield vs. Taurus vs. Charles Daly

I'm looking at getting my first 1911. I has come down to three models. The Springfield 1911-A1 Mil-Spec, which is pretty basic not to many whistles and bells. The Taurus and the Charles Daly appear to be identical in features (ambi. safety, hammer, trigger, beaver tail, etc.) All the pistols are $525, brand new in box.

My question, which one should I get?

any advise would be helpful.
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Old May 23, 2008, 08:51 PM   #2
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My brother has a Taurus and it is great. Taurus getts slammed a lot on this and other websites, and their quality control may be spotty, I don't know. This is the only experience I've ever had with Taurus. I have heard the Charles Daley's are great, but this is just heresay. You get much more accessories with the above two, but you know the Springfield is a safe bet as far as reliability.
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Old May 23, 2008, 09:06 PM   #3
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the Springfield is a safe bet as far as reliability.
True, that's the only one I can vouch for. Haven't owned the other 2 you listed, but I own a race gun built on a springer...very nice shooter.
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Old May 23, 2008, 10:48 PM   #4
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Springfield.
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Old May 23, 2008, 11:08 PM   #5
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The only one of those three I can speak to is the Mil-Spec. Yes a very basic 1911 but both of the ones I have had were/are flawless in function. I have and will own other brands of 1911 but Springfield is my personal favorite. Keep customer service in mind too. Springfield has great CS though I have never used it, Taurus,,,,,well they will take care of it eventually, and I don't know about Dan Wesson CS.
The Mil-Spec also makes a great project gun since you don't really need to do anything to it to make it function properly.
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Old May 23, 2008, 11:09 PM   #6
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If you can fine one The new American Classic or New Firestorm ( its not a Llama)
you can get a Loaded one for around 425
Just got one and has a great blue job and ate first 50 rounds of ball with out a hitch .
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Old May 23, 2008, 11:11 PM   #7
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Definitely the Springfield.
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Old May 23, 2008, 11:23 PM   #8
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+1 on the Springfield.
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Old May 24, 2008, 12:08 AM   #9
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Go with Springfield Mil Spec, cant go wrong.

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Old May 24, 2008, 01:08 AM   #10
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Taurus PT1911 you say.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6613.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6415.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2155.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6844.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6708.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6558.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6695.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6469.0

Taurus PT1911 you say? The above just happens to be about that subject.

TaurusPT1911,eh?
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2155.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2388.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2969.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3703.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3697.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3416.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3340.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3442.0

There's also www.taurusarmed.net that has a PT1911 board as well as a FAQ and sticky threads about the PT1911. Might prove useful to browse there.

Ask questions or do a search or read the old and new threads at the PT1911 board.

There's also Taurus Talk at MSN as a source of info ,too.
Wanting specific answers about specific guns. Then a trip to the specific gun forums may be in order.
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Old May 24, 2008, 01:23 AM   #11
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I had a bad experiance with a Springfield 1911 so it wouldnt be my first pick.
Plus it used to bite me and I had a hard time seeing the sights.
I have had great luck with both RIA and Taurus but I guess I was lucky
My S&W didnt cost much more and Its been a great gun

ASERO45ACP, thats a fancy balisong
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Old May 24, 2008, 08:22 AM   #12
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Of them, the Springfield is the best gun. However, it does not have the most features. They can be added (and you can add only what you want) later, but at extra cost.

After that, the Springfield and the CD are probably pretty even. I've been happy with my Taurus (my Springfield Loaded is admittedly better, but the PT1911 shoots quite well), but I'd recommend trying to get a stainless one, since the black finish is not terribly durable.
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Old May 24, 2008, 09:04 AM   #13
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Old May 24, 2008, 03:45 PM   #14
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I just bought a Charles Daly EFS. I chose it over the Taurus because I own a 24/7 Pro45 and had problems with it out of the box. Their customer service is good if you don't mind waiting 7 weeks( which is how long I did) to get it back. CD pays for the shipping Taurus does not. So far my Efs is great. Their customer service is supposed to be a lot better from what Iv'e read. Also lifetime warranty. Good luck on whatever you choose.
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Old May 24, 2008, 04:08 PM   #15
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The Rock Island Armory make a nice 1911. I have 2 of them now. One is the compact and the other is the G.I. model. I paid $350 each for them, you can get them from Sarcom Inc. and have them shipped to your friendly FFL. The only thing I changed right away on the G.I was the sights. I wanted a set of nice sights for range use. I am thinking of getting a new slide for my compact that does not have the sight cut at all, that way it will totally smooth. Before the flames start yes I practice point and shoot(no sights). The one time I did need a gun to defend myself the sights did not come into play.
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Old May 24, 2008, 05:40 PM   #16
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It doesn't get any prettier than this...

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Old May 25, 2008, 09:59 AM   #17
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Taurus PT1911!

Of them I'd pick the Taurus PT1911 or step up and get the SA "Loaded". Unless your want a plain jane. Also for the money the Rock River "Tactical" for $399 (centerfire systems) and a few others is one heck of a buy with great customer service!

I've been completely satisfied with my PT1911. Great Trigger, Forged Frame and Slide no problems with HP ammo. I've shot around 2500rnds in the last 1.5years of ownership mostly my reloads...



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Old May 25, 2008, 05:39 PM   #18
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Out of the 3 listed, I would definately go with the Springer.

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Also for the money the Rock River "Tactical" for $399
Rock Island. Rock River 1911s generally start at $1600 and go up from there.
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Old May 25, 2008, 06:24 PM   #19
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I'd suggest a Rock Island as a good starter 1911 but the Springfield is also an excellent, albeit more expensive, choice.

This is mine which I just purchased as a project gun:




I already have lots of goodies on order for it. I can't wait to get started.
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Old May 26, 2008, 10:07 AM   #20
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equal in price and designation only

NOT equal in metallurgy, parts, performance, nor service.

When I searched for affordable 1911 pistols that I knew I would be unable to leave unmodified I picked Caspian frame and slides, and (now three) Springfield Armory pistols.

I am not a Springfield Armory "koolaid drinker"; I am simply someone in search of the best possible value for my oh-so-hard-earned dollars. Brand-name loyalty, for me, does not exist (except for Caspian, natch). Function and value are all I consider.
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Old May 26, 2008, 11:06 AM   #21
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WESHOOT2, You're definitely correct on the "service" issue. While I've heard many great things about Springfield's service, the talk of RIA's service has absolutely blown me away. The few people that have problems seem to get their guns back within 2 weeks. Working. Unfortunately, Springfield isn't that quick (can't really expect them to be with their size & custom work).

As for the choices, I would go with the RIA. I'm actually planning on buying 2 RIAs. One for a car-gun & one for a plinker. My daily carry is a Kimber so I don't need another "nice" 1911. I'm going to buy the next one cheap and modify it to my wants/needs. I've had the Taurus and won't buy another one. While it was reliable, it wasn't accurate and felt cheap. It was an early model and supposedly the new ones are pretty accurate but I handled one the other day and it still felt cheap for some reason. That combined with Taurus' horrible reputation for service is going to keep me far away.

Oh, as for the Charles Daly, from what I understand they are currently manufactured by Armscor who is the manufacturer of RIA. Reportedly, they won't be around much longer but they are supposedly as reliable as the RIAs.
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Old May 26, 2008, 01:54 PM   #22
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+1 for PT1911...I have one and it's a good gun. Forged slide frame and barrel. No brake in period what even they call it

BTW Pt1911 is now approved by Clark for the .460 Rowland conversion, while IIRC they specifically say not to use Charles Daly 1911! That's got to tell you something!!

Fyi Springfield is also made made in Brazil...so the question is do you want a bare bone or a loaded 1911
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Old May 28, 2008, 06:28 PM   #23
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...Oh, as for the Charles Daly, from what I understand they are currently manufactured by Armscor who is the manufacturer of RIA. Reportedly, they won't be around much longer but they are supposedly as reliable as the RIAs.
Charles Daly pistols are not going to be made by Armscor any longer but they will be around, and better than ever. We have moved the production to another country, not stopped it and will be launching our new line this October.

And I have to laugh at the "reliable as RIA" statement. Internally, the RIA, Charles Daly and the HI-Standard are the same pistol. Anybody that tells you the RIA is more reliable than the Armscor manufactured Daly does not know what they are talking about.
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Old May 28, 2008, 06:44 PM   #24
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great news sir , thank you for replying in this wonderful forum we have here.
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Do you really think anyones going to read all that junk?
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