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May 15, 2008, 03:18 PM | #26 |
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Go drink your Kool-Aid and leave me alone. Your half witted rational makes me :barf: I tried to get out of this but you seem to want to rub it in for me making a good value judgement to not engage with far left loons so let's just drop it. Now go ahead and get your last word in like a two year old. I'm finished!
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May 15, 2008, 03:21 PM | #27 |
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I must have missed the parts where you showed "good judgment"...could you provide a link to proof.
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May 15, 2008, 03:35 PM | #28 |
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Counter-point for PBP
If a guy who I don't consider a physical threat, and who should know he doesn't stand a chance in a fistfight with me, decides to break in my door...
... I will probably assume he's brought a weapon. Otherwise, he'd just be stupid. I agree the firefighter shouldn't have left provoking messages, and that he should have involved the police a bit sooner. However, I think it reasonable for him to have thought the decedent likely to be armed at the time of the break-in, based on behavior. Granted, it's possible the decedent used a key, instead of kicking in the door, but it does say that the ex-girlfriend called the police when she heard the pounding on the door. It seems illogical that somebody who had a key would pound on a door more than once, before using the key. My inference would be that he broke it in, but maybe we'll get more facts reported at a later time. Criminally, this should be "not guilty." The civil suit could be another matter. Just my $.02. Cheers, M |
May 15, 2008, 04:17 PM | #29 |
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There are alot of variables that need to be determined, completely seperate from the inflammatory comments made by the accused.
A man has a right to protect himself no matter where he is but especially in his home. From the report, it seems to me that the deceased entered into the home of the shooter without permission. However: 1. Did the intruder make furtive movements with his hands? 2. Were the intruder's hands hidden? 3. Did the intruder verbalize a threat of deadly force before the intrusion? 3. Did the intruder verbalize a threat of harm upon entry? 4. Was it dark? 5. Did the resident verbally challenge the intruder and the intruder failed to respond to commands? 6. Did the intruder agressively advance towards the resident? If the answer to anyone of these questions is yes, the shooter may have a pretty solid defense. If the answer to all of these questions is no, than the shooter used excessive force to stop the threat in my opinion. No matter what, the guy is still dead and his kid doesn't have a father because of his own stupid action of entering someone else's home looking for trouble, whether or not the shooter was right or wrong. |
May 15, 2008, 04:24 PM | #30 |
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Cool...I'm a far left loon!
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May 15, 2008, 04:37 PM | #31 | |
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In California the Handgun 'Study Guide' put out by the Department of Justice incldes a section on the use of lethal force. As I understand it, unless a 'reasonable person' (as determined by the jury) would have acted in the same manner, one is dead meat ... a beat down is the politically correct path to take.
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May 15, 2008, 05:28 PM | #32 | |
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It is all going to depend on which side of the bed the jury gets up on that day unless there are some more facts that we don't know. |
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May 15, 2008, 06:49 PM | #33 |
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Closed.
Insults, snide comments, rude behavior. Too bad. This could have been a beneficial discussion. pax |
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