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Old November 16, 2007, 07:32 PM   #1
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Mosin Nagant Trigger

Wow, I got a Mosin Nagant M38 from Aimsurplus and the trigger is..... well, disgusting! The rifle shoots, but the trigger just ain't it.

I've been searching the internet for some aftermarket triggers for this rifle but have come up empty handed. What options do I have? Does anyone know someone who sells nice adjustable (2-stage preferred) triggers for the Mosin Nagant?
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Old November 16, 2007, 07:47 PM   #2
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http://www.huberconcepts.com/Mosin-N...eplacement.htm
http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/...osin/index.asp

Hopefully that helps
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Old November 16, 2007, 07:59 PM   #3
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Huber concepts makes a great replacement MN trigger. Look here and search for mosin nagant huber and you should find it.
http://www.brownells.com
or here...
http://www.huberconcepts.com/Mosin-N...eplacement.htm

Also, go to surplusrifle.com for info on fixing the MN trigger. Look here...
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...gger/index.asp

I have a huber concepts in my M44 and it's great but it costs as much as the rifle.
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Old November 16, 2007, 08:17 PM   #4
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Wonder if it's hit and miss. My M91/59 has a spongy trigger slightly less poundage than that of a mil spec M4. has a springy draw to a crisp end. I kinda like it.
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Old November 16, 2007, 09:11 PM   #5
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I have an M91/30 with a less than great trigger. Has about 1/4" of creep where it feels like your pulling a way too tight spring to the verge of snapping, not to mention the randomly-feeling break. Trigger pull is probably in the neighborhood of 10 pounds. While I'm complaining about it, I guess I feel like it's part of the "character" of the rifle .
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Old November 16, 2007, 09:47 PM   #6
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Is that trigger mechanism turning the rifle trigger pull from a two stage to a single stage?

Looking at the pictures, it looks like that dent ball is lowers the sear, the engagement of which would have normally been taken up in a first pull.

If this is one of those that gives a "crisp" pull by permanently having only a tiny amount of sear engagement left, I would not feel comfortable with that. I would be afraid of jarring it off, or having a bolt over ride. Those old rifles are not exactly precision pieces, they have a lot of slop in them.

I have played around with my Nagant triggers and found I could not adjust them outside of swapping cocking pieces and sear springs. The great Mauser two stage, can be adjusted to a crisp final stage, without losing all that first stage sear engagement. I never figured out a safe solution for the Mosin.
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Old November 16, 2007, 11:30 PM   #7
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I have a Chinese type 53 carbine that has a trigger that's downright scary. Very little creep, very light, breaks too soon as far as I'm concerned. Range gun only, I'd never be able to hunt with the thing
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Old November 16, 2007, 11:32 PM   #8
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My huber trigger is single stage and is set at about a 3 lbs. I've drop tested it several times and it does not fire.
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Old November 17, 2007, 09:14 AM   #9
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Wonder if it's hit and miss.
Yes very much so
I've had about five 91/30s and all but one have had crappy triggers
All were different
One was an old worn looking gun that had not been arsenal refinished and looked like it had been used in every war since WWII
The trigger was as smooth and crisp as any tuned gun

The one I have now breaks clean with little to n creep but has a very heavy pull
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Old November 17, 2007, 02:18 PM   #10
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Right on with the info, guys! I will be modifying this rifle to be a lightweight high-powered, carbine type hunting rifle. The trigger just has to go!
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Old November 17, 2007, 02:23 PM   #11
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If you get a Huber trigger be sure to test it for drop fires after you set it. You can set it too light. I love mine.
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Old November 18, 2007, 11:37 AM   #12
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Before you spend as much on a trigger as you did on the rifle try the surplusrifle.com fix. http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...gger/index.asp

I didn't have a handy steel piece, so I just used multiple soda can shims. I used 6 on my 91/30 (~.024) and 7 on my M38 (~.028) and it was night and day, especially on the M38. It had an extremely heavy pull and it cut it in half. Plus it's easy, a non-gunsmith like me can do it, and it doesn't make any permanent changes to your rifle. If you don't like it, just take the shims out.
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Old November 18, 2007, 05:19 PM   #13
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Did you drop test it?
I was wanting to shim mine before the Thanksgiving Day shoot
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Old November 19, 2007, 06:48 AM   #14
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I've done the shim thing also, it helped one of my finn m39 mosins tremendously--and it passes the drop test.
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Old November 19, 2007, 05:42 PM   #15
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Here's some pictures from a guy in Finland (military) on how to improve the Mosin Trigger.

The trigger assembly. Bend the sear as shown.



Remove metal from the shaded area



Polish the shaded area

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Old November 20, 2007, 02:22 PM   #16
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Joab,
Yeah, mine passed the drop test, too. It was still probably 5-6 pounds, I don't have a trigger pull gauge to verify, but it was 10+ when I started. Anyway, do it. It's a great feeling for an easy fix.

Pthfndr,
I saw those fixes somewhere, but it was in English. I was afraid to actually remove any metal, but I tried to polish the area shown. I don't know that I polished it correctly or had any effect, though. From the diagram, it looks like bending the sear would have about the same net effect as the shims. It will just raise the sear and make for a shorter and easier pull.

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Old November 20, 2007, 09:48 PM   #17
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Any improvement would be great

The trigger is crisp but unacceptably heavy

I'm also a little leery of removing any metal
If I screw up with the shims I can remove or rework

Anyone know where to get spare parts cheap
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Old November 20, 2007, 10:08 PM   #18
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I saw those fixes somewhere, but it was in English. I was afraid to actually remove any metal, but I tried to polish the area shown. I don't know that I polished it correctly or had any effect, though. From the diagram, it looks like bending the sear would have about the same net effect as the shims. It will just raise the sear and make for a shorter and easier pull.

Good luck,
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I would agree about trying to shim the sear first, rather than bend it (unless one has several laying around)

The shaded part of the sear is supposed to be polished smooth. When the trigger is pulled that's where it rolls down on it.

I have a spare trigger/sear so I'm going to give it a try (removing the metal). I'll try to post back with the results.
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Old November 21, 2007, 04:45 PM   #19
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For spare parts, you could try Numrich and the usual suspects, but you could just buy a 91/30 or M44 for $70 and have a spare bolt, trigger, sear, etc. or buy another M38 and have a spare of everything.
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Old November 21, 2007, 07:29 PM   #20
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I tried that once Red
but I couldn't bring myself to decommission a perfectly good gun
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