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Old February 11, 2000, 10:32 PM   #1
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Evil Often Rides on a White Horse


Remembering the Nazis

by Gary DeMar

Americans need to remember that Adolf Hitler came to power as a benefactor.
The economy revived, social programs were developed "for the people,"
especially for "the children. Hitler's oratory was unrivaled. He made it all
sound so good. It was in his role as a "benefactor" that his tyranny finally
came to light, very much like the biblical concept that Satan is an "angel
of light." It all sounds so-o-o-o-o good! By then it was too late. The
German people had been hooked. Just one more socialist fix. Another
government program. They liked all these "free" goodies. Someone else is
always working and creating wealth to pay for the other guy's welfare fix,
including corporate welfare.

As a majority of Americans extol the virtues of the liberal
"virtuecrats"-Clinton was elected twice-Christians in the know must continue
to press hard to remind fellow Christians, most of whom are socialists and
don't know it, that God's order is not "politics and power first." The State
is not a benefactor. Of course, we do not want to leave out the communists.
They were just as ruthless and beneficent. You know this, but take a look at
The Black Book of Communism (Harvard, 1999) for a reminder.

The following letter, written by Thomas Colton Ruthford, was published in
the Washington Times on June 7, 1995. Its message is timeless. You can make
your own current-day applications and shudder.

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Dear Mrs. Clinton,

During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats and
you have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts
to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic. I remember the Nazis.

Let me share a little about them and recall some of their exploits.

First of all, "Nazi" was gutter slang for the verb "to nationalize". The
Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early
struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was "The National Socialist
Workers Party of Germany." Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the
nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national
resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and
academic elite against the conservative republic. After der fuhrer's
election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a
fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with
educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct.
They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and
looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he
referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred." Anyone
who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a
"Conservative Reactionary." Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications,
proclaimed a "New World Order."

The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the Jews,
Bohemians and Gypsys who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the
"New World Order" and Hitler demanded that all good people register their
guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of "terrorists and madmen."

Right wing fanatics of the "Old Order" who protested firearms registration
were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the
Government of the German people."

Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler
ram-rodded an "Emergency Anti Terrorist Act" through Parliament that gave
the Gestapo extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the
well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be confiscated
by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military).
German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when the "jack-boots"
(Gestapo) came calling, were murdered in their homes. By the way, the
Gestapo were the federal marshals' service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T.
team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of
the enemies of the German people.

When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from
townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and
shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S. Those were Nazi versions of the
B.A.T.F and the F.B.I. When several local ministers spoke out against these
atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.

The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank
accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizes who had
prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the
Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military.

Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads
throughout central Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives
into the wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan
resistance fighters.

Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children
to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such
parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third
Reich and Christians were widely condemned as "right wing fanatics."

Millions of books were burned first and then people. Millions of them
burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women
were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given
medals for it.

Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil.
World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the
"peacekeepers".

Yes, indeed Mrs. Clinton, I remember the Nazis and they weren't
Republicans, or "right wing," or "patriots" or "militias." They were
Socialist monsters very much like the Democratic Party of the United States,
of America is today.

Thomas Colton Ruthford
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Old February 11, 2000, 11:01 PM   #2
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When I first scanned the topics list, I thought this thread was titled "Evil Often Rides in the White House"
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Old February 11, 2000, 11:39 PM   #3
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dZ, why haven't I seen this fantastic letter previously? Every person in America should read this. I'll copy/paste it and e-mail it to a number of friends/associates. Thank you!

Maybe my department's SWAT team should read this.
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Old February 12, 2000, 01:14 AM   #4
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
They were Socialist monsters very much like the Democratic Party of the United States, of America is today.[/quote]

And we wonder why people think RKBAers are a bunch of extremists.

Anybody that seriously believes this crap is just as bad as the worst of the liberals! In many ways ya'll are the same, you know what's right for everybody else, and what's wrong.

There's about 80% of America that pretty much believes in the same things about our country, and believes pretty much how to proceed with our country, give or take a few details, insignificant really.

And 20%, 10% on the left and 10% on the right who thinks that 80% is just evil and wrong.

Must be nice to have all the answers!


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Old February 12, 2000, 02:35 AM   #5
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Joseph,

Aside from from agreeing or disagreeing with you, to which I hold to neither, I am curious about one thing.

From where do you glean your most excellent analysis of the beliefs of Americans and the percentages ascribed to thereof?

Unless, of course, such wit is intended to be merely a latinesque amusement. To this, your broad brush strokes both "ad hominem"-al and "de facto" (or is that de factless?) raised tired laughter in my even more tired mind. Bravo!

Scientia est Potentia,

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Old February 12, 2000, 05:28 AM   #6
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Thank you DZ. for your post.

It is way past time that Americans re-discover the freedom that we once had. I am not just talking about freedom to keep and bear arms. We have lost many freedoms and will continue to lose them unless we stop calling the evil good and the good evil.

The majority of our founding fathers were Christians. I realize that this is a sensitive subject, but this is the truth.
Patrick Henry - one of our founding fathers -said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!" This is not saying that Christianity should be forced on anyone, but where the God of the Bible is not honored and loved there can be NO FREEDOM.

Those early American leaders were influenced by God's Word. If they had the mind-set of today then there would have never been a war for independece. If we return to God in earnest then he will have mercy on us.

The purpose of arms in private hands is to keep the government from enforcing unjust laws. However, when the private individual is unjust how can he check the erring government? Turn to God, my courtymen. Turn to God. GOD DOES HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS, AND WE CAN FIND THEM IN HIS WORD. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Old February 12, 2000, 09:53 AM   #7
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This does give me a shudder. The parallels are amazing. Do you have a source for this docZ? I'd like to find it and send it to a few people.

I don't necessarily believe what Gary DeMar said about Christians being socialists, nor do I completely agree with Thomas C. Rutherford who likens Democrats to Nazis. I think that the point of this is that our country seems to be heading down the same road taken by so many other civilizations in the past. The question being, "How do WE keep history from repeating itself again?"

Eric Conaway says that it is a sensitive subject and he is right, the "truth," though, is an elusive target...and one seldom hit in the 10 ring.


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Old February 12, 2000, 11:33 AM   #8
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BluesMan has said what we all somehow feel. Some strongly, others just as a nagging which we can ignore if we watch enough Simpsons.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I think that the point of this is that our country seems to be heading down the same road taken by so many other civilizations in the past.[/quote]

All organisms are birthed, and all must perish. An immutable law. Just as we must go into the beyond, or simply cease to exist, so must our momentary culture, our greater culture, and eventually the species.

Yes dear friends, even our species will cease to exist someday. Extinction, however, occurs for each individual on the day of that person's death.

What we're floundering on is, are we beginning to witness the end of America as the leading culture in the world.

Cultures, Greek, Roman, French, English, American, all never really cease, they just cease to be the leading culture. If I were a gambling man, I would probably bet on the asian cultures as being next in line, if for no other reason than that they have the most to grow and prosper and a very good chance of achieving growth and prosperity. We Americans, alas, have very little to gain.

We are wealthy beyond all measures of humankind. We have fewer struggles to survive. We argue about which tv shows we should watch. We are lost in triviality.

We have lost what is most precious as motivators to great cultures, a fear of survival, a fear of want.

Now, what is destroying us more than anything else, is the lack of common focus those fears create. We now rip each other apart. Our divisivness is our enemy. Not whether we're democrat or republican, communist or militia.

Politicians cannot lead if followers want to go another way. Great politicians, great leaders pick up common wants, usually unspoken wants, and show people where they want to go but were unable to see on their own.

We have no common path anymore. Safer schools? Too much violence in media? Abortion? Irradiated foods? These aren't rallying points, they're polishing points. More children die in Africa each day than die in our culture each year because of violence.

Our American culture has, perhaps, peaked. Just as so many have peaked before us.

What will save us is a common goal. Maybe that's what Reagan offered us. Maybe Kennedy. Certainly Truman, Roosevelt, Lincoln.

Short of war, I have no idea what can mobilize a fat and settled populace as ours has become. Many of us think that RKBA is that rallying point. The Constitution, perhaps. But maybe the Constitution has been taken to its limit.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...[/quote]

Maybe we've gotten so caught up with ourselves that we no longer want that "more perfect Union".

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Old February 12, 2000, 04:18 PM   #9
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found these references to Gary DeMar: http://www.marietta.edu/~rossp/lastdays.html http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner...haviorism.html

here is a link to the Ruthford: http://www.afn.org/~govern/weimar.html

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Old February 12, 2000, 04:24 PM   #10
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>In summary, the ethical consequences of behaviorism are great. Man is stripped of his responsibility, freedom, and dignity, and is reduced to a purely biological being, to be "shaped" by those who
are able to use the tools of behaviorism effectively.[/quote]
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Old February 12, 2000, 04:51 PM   #11
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While I certainly won't dispute the point made earlier that we should refrain from trying to link the Democratic Party (or _any_
party to Nazism, we should look at the decay of freedoms experienced in the last several decades. Everything in our lives is regulated, from the size of a piece of land we want to buy, what can be on that land (water, swamp), what we can build on the land, how big or small the building can be,
how it is built, what type of fixtures may be installed, how they may operate (even down to the size of the toilet tank). What vehicles we may buy, how many mpg the vehicle must get, how "safe" the vehicle must be, how high or low off the ground it may be, what lights may be attached... you get the idea. Think about nearly anything you own or do and you'll find it is somehow regulated.

And there are no complaints. The market is rolling along, some people are making lots of money and they don't care if the government takes half of it. They care more about what gourmet coffee they're going to buy than about who is going to be President.

There's a lot of talk about "color codes" and
ccw over on the Handguns topic. I think most of the public is wandering around in "condition white" when it comes to our society.

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Old February 12, 2000, 07:46 PM   #12
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Dick,

I agree.
And the sheeple will remain in 'condition white' until the economy goes south.
Then it'll be up to the media to find the proper scapegoats to 'demonize'...

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Old February 12, 2000, 08:56 PM   #13
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Those of you who may vote Democrat, need to take an objective look at the policies of the power brokers in your party before you lash out at the writers who agree that they are very much the "nazi party of america", for in reality they are pursuing nearly the exact course that Hitler's power brokers did in the late 1920's and 30's in Germany.

We are far down the road to servitude and tyranny...it is time to make a change and I fear that only the mingling of the blood of patriots and tyrants will change the future!

"When the representatives of the people betray their constituents there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense , which is paramount to all positive forms of government..." A Hamilton Fed Paper #28 1787

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Old February 13, 2000, 12:20 PM   #14
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I do not see this as comparing the Dems to the Nazis. It looks like a simple refresher in recent history with a mention that when two groups go down similar paths the same end is often reached.
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Old February 13, 2000, 04:26 PM   #15
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Libertarian, I couldn't agree more. We only have to look at what Gunter has told us about
life in Austria under his topics to see just how far all of this can go. Would it be nice to have seven weeks of vacation? Sure. But government mandating that, as they do in France and I believe Germany, isn't a desireable avenue for getting that vacation. Something has to be traded for it, either in money or some freedom. As someone wiser than me once said, a government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything away.

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Old February 13, 2000, 06:09 PM   #16
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It's a valid comparison. Sorry to any Dems who may be offended, but it's true. The catch is that the Republicans are much the same.

Truth is, I've always been bothered by my own evaluation of the Nazi party, which is that probably 80% or more were well-meaning people. You heard me. They thought they were doing the best thing possible. Like most Americans, they may have had a nagging feeling that what they were doing would be bad but they either ignored it or reasoned that it was the lesser of two evils. E.G., it's certainly evil to hurt innocent Jews but more evil to let the "guilty ones" go free to hurt innocent aryans. (Please note that this is only an example of Nazi thinking. I disagree with it, of course. If anyone flames me, I'll know you didn't read carefully!)

The disturbing part is that as I look around, I see most of the Americans I know doing the same thing. They mean well and they're hoping that there's somehow going to be a free lunch, so they're willing to go along with what amounts to a socialist program even after seeing where it led elsewhere in the world. The most frustrating part is that there is not one evil American in 10,000, but the majority manages to tacitly approve of evil measures being taken in their name.

Maybe the worst part about trying to fight against this tide of well-meaning foolishness is that it inspired me to write a terrible poem, and then to inflict my poetry upon innocents. Tell me that's not evil.
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Old February 13, 2000, 10:13 PM   #17
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Agreed Gwinny. The most heinous acts in history have been committed by people who thought they were doing the 'right' thing. Committed by basically good people who believed that the end justified theh means. Dems, in general, are socialists. It is a nice ideal - that we all live in a Barney World - but it will never happen. The road to that ideal is paved in blood. But of course it is all for the children.

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Old February 13, 2000, 11:03 PM   #18
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dZ, Thanks for the post. Gwinny & CassidtGT, ditto to what you said.
I see many parallels in our society today, and that from another time.

I wonder what the JPFO would have to say on that article. I think I'll take it to them, and ask about it. Perhaps the have some knowledge of it's origin, and truths, etc...


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