1911 in .357 Sig

gmarr · December 19, 2006, 10:28 PM

I've got 1911's in .45 and 10mm calibers. I also have a Sig P226 in .357 caliber. Not to mention a few 9mm's and .40 and 5.7 x 28mm.

What I'm interested in is a 1911 platform in .357 Sig caliber. Anyone heard or seen this combo?

TiP99 · December 19, 2006, 10:33 PM

It sounds interesting but i dont see it happening. The 9mm is a nice caliber for the 1911 platform because you get high capacity and cheap shooting. You dont often see .40 1911 because whats the point if you can get a 45acp. So i dont really see the benefit of the .357 sig 1911. The capacity will not be much more than the .45acp and the ballistics in my opinion is not worth the extra cost of ammo. Happy hunting, im not sure if it will ever be made.

KS1911 · December 19, 2006, 10:45 PM

I've seen a rare few. I am a fan of the 357 SIG and have often thought the same. I have seen them in a Les Baer and a Nighthawk. You can buy an conversion barrel though, bar-sto makes them. It should be an easy change from a 40 such as a Kimber or STI.

shooter71 · December 20, 2006, 02:48 PM

TiP99
How do you like your Baby Eagle????

sorry not trying to hijack this thread

Rugged · December 20, 2006, 02:54 PM

TiP99 · December 20, 2006, 09:06 PM

I like it a lot. its great for the money and is a real soft shooter. Its also a natural pointer. I would recomend a baby eagle to anyone. I wouldnt recomend carrying it though due to the weight.

MASTERSMITH86 · December 20, 2006, 10:14 PM

I would like to build one in a .357 sig configuration just to say I have one but, like the others have said, I don't really see a realistic use in the mainstream. I have a thing for the .357sig ever since a friend of mine who has a processing station and farm said I could shoot a couple of slaughtered hogs that were about to turn, just to see a real world comparison of a couple of my favorite rounds. I used a 9mm, .357mag, 357sig, .45acp, and a .40s&w. I had done gelitan tests on all of them but, after shooting the hogs and seeing actual bone and flesh damage, I was stunned by the .357sigs performance. I think there is to much of a chance of over penetration with the .357sig in self defence but, it really will make a mess, even through the shoulder blade of one of the hogs. I was actually kinda stunned. I wouldn't carry one because I would be afraid of hurting a bystander but I could also see boar hunting with the right set-up. Just my thoughts. I might just build one now that I think about it?

Mike P. Wagner · December 21, 2006, 12:54 AM

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I don't really see a realistic use in the mainstream.

That's the key. Weapons manufacturers are in the business of making money (or trying to). The 1911 is basically a nostalgia weapon - you don't see many police departments, armies, etc,. swapping out their Glocks or Sigs for 1911s.
I am not criticizing the 1911 at all, but the 1911 is pretty much a gun crank kind of gun. The people who buy 1911s are also pretty likley to love the .45 ACP round.

If you look at the kinds of weapons that are chambered in 357 SIG, they are mostly modern police weapons. That's a completely different market - not one particularly big on nostalgia - I think of it as a "weapon as tool" market. They couldn't care less about whether grandpa carried in WWII or who designed it. Figuring out whether it was "limp wristing" or "a low quailty mag" that caused an FTF is probably not as important to this crowd as going bang every time.

I am really not cracking on 1911s at all - people claim to be able to tinker wiht thme unitl they are quite reliable, and I've certainly seen some pretty ones. But these are two separate markets.

A 1911 in 357 SIG would please neither market - the 1911 freaks wouldn't buy it because it was not 45 ACP, and the "pistol as tool" crowd wouldn't buy it because they looking for a tool that has characteristics that the 1911 just doesn't have.

Mike

TiP99 · December 21, 2006, 02:02 AM

well put mike.

MrApathy · December 21, 2006, 12:45 PM

go for the 10mm knecked down to 9mm
9x25mm Dillon
http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w925dillon.html

lots of people use 1911 pattern 40sw they get the chamber reamed to load it long and use fast burning powders for easy recoil. 40sw brass is cheaper than 10mm though they dont load to 10mm levels nor would it be good to do.

if you go 40sw or 357sig youll want a ramped barrel

1911 in 9mm only holds 9-10rnds not much more than 40sw/10mm or 45acp.

some people like to shoot 9mm Major and 38super in 1911 pattern guns.
pressure they hit can be rifle like.

357sig has its place in competition its narrow.

badbob · December 21, 2006, 01:00 PM

gmarr, go to this website and poke around. You will find all the information you're looking for.
http://forums.1911forum.com/

badbob

December 19, 2006, 10:28 PM	#1
gmarr Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2006 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 262	1911 in .357 Sig I've got 1911's in .45 and 10mm calibers. I also have a Sig P226 in .357 caliber. Not to mention a few 9mm's and .40 and 5.7 x 28mm. What I'm interested in is a 1911 platform in .357 Sig caliber. Anyone heard or seen this combo?

December 19, 2006, 10:33 PM	#2
TiP99 Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2004 Location: Omaha Posts: 291	It sounds interesting but i dont see it happening. The 9mm is a nice caliber for the 1911 platform because you get high capacity and cheap shooting. You dont often see .40 1911 because whats the point if you can get a 45acp. So i dont really see the benefit of the .357 sig 1911. The capacity will not be much more than the .45acp and the ballistics in my opinion is not worth the extra cost of ammo. Happy hunting, im not sure if it will ever be made. __________________ IMI Baby Eagle Glock 26 *Si vis pacem - para bellum* If you want peace - prepare for war

December 20, 2006, 02:48 PM	#4
shooter71 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2006 Location: USA Posts: 129	TiP99 How do you like your Baby Eagle???? sorry not trying to hijack this thread __________________ "These are only my opinions"

December 20, 2006, 02:54 PM	#5
Rugged Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2006 Location: People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 241	can't help myself __________________ "GET RID OF THAT NICKEL-PLATED SISSY PISTOL AND GET YOURSELF A GLOCK!!!"

December 20, 2006, 09:06 PM	#6
TiP99 Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2004 Location: Omaha Posts: 291	I like it a lot. its great for the money and is a real soft shooter. Its also a natural pointer. I would recomend a baby eagle to anyone. I wouldnt recomend carrying it though due to the weight. __________________ IMI Baby Eagle Glock 26 *Si vis pacem - para bellum* If you want peace - prepare for war

December 19, 2006, 10:45 PM	#3
KS1911 Member Join Date: February 18, 2006 Posts: 53	I've seen a rare few. I am a fan of the 357 SIG and have often thought the same. I have seen them in a Les Baer and a Nighthawk. You can buy an conversion barrel though, bar-sto makes them. It should be an easy change from a 40 such as a Kimber or STI.

December 20, 2006, 10:14 PM	#7
MASTERSMITH86 Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 111	I would like to build one in a .357 sig configuration just to say I have one but, like the others have said, I don't really see a realistic use in the mainstream. I have a thing for the .357sig ever since a friend of mine who has a processing station and farm said I could shoot a couple of slaughtered hogs that were about to turn, just to see a real world comparison of a couple of my favorite rounds. I used a 9mm, .357mag, 357sig, .45acp, and a .40s&w. I had done gelitan tests on all of them but, after shooting the hogs and seeing actual bone and flesh damage, I was stunned by the .357sigs performance. I think there is to much of a chance of over penetration with the .357sig in self defence but, it really will make a mess, even through the shoulder blade of one of the hogs. I was actually kinda stunned. I wouldn't carry one because I would be afraid of hurting a bystander but I could also see boar hunting with the right set-up. Just my thoughts. I might just build one now that I think about it? __________________ "You can build a car with no glass, powered by pedals, have twenty airbags, and wrap it in 3 feet of bubble wrap but, if the guy driving it puts it over a cliff, he is still an idiot who forgot to put a parachute on his stupid car." " A Glock in your hand is a safer bet than a cop on the phone."

December 21, 2006, 02:02 AM	#9
TiP99 Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2004 Location: Omaha Posts: 291	well put mike. __________________ IMI Baby Eagle Glock 26 *Si vis pacem - para bellum* If you want peace - prepare for war

December 21, 2006, 12:45 PM	#10
MrApathy Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2004 Posts: 529	go for the 10mm knecked down to 9mm 9x25mm Dillon http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w925dillon.html lots of people use 1911 pattern 40sw they get the chamber reamed to load it long and use fast burning powders for easy recoil. 40sw brass is cheaper than 10mm though they dont load to 10mm levels nor would it be good to do. if you go 40sw or 357sig youll want a ramped barrel 1911 in 9mm only holds 9-10rnds not much more than 40sw/10mm or 45acp. some people like to shoot 9mm Major and 38super in 1911 pattern guns. pressure they hit can be rifle like. 357sig has its place in competition its narrow. __________________ Divided and conquered, Gripped by fear Wishful thinking that it can't happen here It's well underways but nobody knows A repeat of history, That's how it goes

December 21, 2006, 01:00 PM	#11
badbob Junior member Join Date: August 17, 2006 Posts: 999	gmarr, go to this website and poke around. You will find all the information you're looking for. http://forums.1911forum.com/ badbob