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Old December 10, 2006, 11:03 PM   #1
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Best .22lr under $200... CZ 452 scout?

i'm looking for an inexpensive and extremely reliable .22 rifle. i don't want to spend more than 150-200 hundred at the most.
i've read the cz 22 rifles shoot 2" inch groups at 100 yards out of the box, and are very reliable. the shorter scout model goes for about 200.
what about the marlin model 60? i see a lot of them for around 100 dollars.
i'm most concerned with reliability and accuracy.
any suggestions?
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Old December 10, 2006, 11:11 PM   #2
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from what i've read... dont look at the 10/22 if you want out of the box accuracy. I hear the CZ's are very accurate, as well as the marlin 60's. marlin 60's are reliable as long as you keep the action clean every few hundred rounds. savage are also accurate. as with all 22lr's (as well as most other rifles, even shotguns) you have to try out different ammo to find out which one the rifle likes. My cz52 and your cz52 both brand new, one may shoot brand X great, and the other like garbage. To start for the most part i hear that wolf match is very accurate (in most all guns)

check out www.rimfirecentral.com

as for reliablibity, inherently, the bolt action will be more reliable than the semi. semi's just have more working parts and more things to break/jam ect.
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Old December 10, 2006, 11:24 PM   #3
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First, are you buying new or used? Because the 452 Scout is an *excellent* choice, but it is usually $205 or $210 plus tax new, sometimes more. Maybe cheaper elsewhere; I dunno. The Marlin model 60 is probably the best bang for the buck out there, esp. if you want a semi-auto. Typically $115-$125 plus tax new for the wood/blued model; a bit more for stainless steel. Used, $75-$100 typically. Great little gun for the money. Another gun that is only around $130-$140 plus tax brand new (for the synthetic stock model). if you look around, is the Rem 597. Not *quite* as good of a value as the Marlin, but still a better value than the Ruger, IMO. Gonna have more aftermarket options than the Marlin I would guess.
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Old December 11, 2006, 12:17 AM   #4
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Some advice you're probably not going to want to hear

Save some more money and buy a top-quality firearm. I bought my Marlin 39 in 1970 for (I think) $170. They're now going for $1K+. My dad bought his Winchester 52B sporter in 1948 for $240 (big money in those days) and now they're well north of $2K.

High-quality firearms are worth paying the extra for.

My .02's worth.
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Old December 11, 2006, 01:03 AM   #5
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skeeter - whats a good high dollar .22 these days?
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Old December 11, 2006, 01:21 AM   #6
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The marlin model 60 is a great little gun. I also like the new stock they offer on the model 60DL. http://www.impactguns.com/store/026495070052.html
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Old December 11, 2006, 01:24 AM   #7
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You still can't go wrong with a Marlin 39. I'm also partial to the Browning T-bolt now that they've reintoduced it. The Ruger 77/22 is also high on my list. For just plain fun, the Ruger 10/22 is hard to beat.
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Old December 11, 2006, 03:27 AM   #8
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Wow, people are actually buying Winchester 52s at that price? Most places around here they go between $700-1200.

Mine I wouldn't sell and I got it as a gift from my neighbour for helping set up a house for sale. Its hard to get any better as a .22 target rifle.

Marlin 60s are nice little economy semi auto .22s. I prefer the Marlin 70 if you can find it. Its loaded from a magazine rather than tube so the balance isn't effected while shooting. Thats not going to matter for most.

If you can get ahold of a good CZ rifle they are well worth it and great accuracy for the price. Savages tend to be quite good too.

Ruger 10/22 have lots of aftermarket parts but you can easily spend more than the cost of the rifle accurasing it with the stuff you want and it still get blown out the window by a CZ452 or similar rifle.
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Old December 11, 2006, 08:24 AM   #9
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Yeah, Winchester 52B sporters go for big bucks. It had a Griffin & Howe Q/D mount, and those aren't cheap.

http://www.griffinhowe.com/mountsandpads.cfm

And a Lyman Alaskan scope.

I don't have it, but Dad wanted my cousin to have it, and we all agreed. It's still in the family at at any rate, and will stay in the family.

Fine rifles, even .22s, are expensive, and worth every penny.
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Old December 11, 2006, 11:56 AM   #10
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Marlin 60 + inexpensive scope = 1/2" groups at 50 yards (with ammo it likes best).

Total between $150 and $180 including rings.

What's not to like?

5000 rounds through mine (and I got it lightly used) with a total of 5 FTFs altogether.
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Old December 11, 2006, 01:06 PM   #11
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If you want a very reliable 22, I'd be looking at single shots like the NEF.



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Old December 11, 2006, 04:23 PM   #12
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I can't speak to the others, but I just bought a new Remington 597, stainless with synthetic stock for $205. I put 300 rounds through it yesterday for the first time without a problem. It was dead-on accurate at 50 yards. My deciding factor was that I liked its looks. It's probably like cars...more emotional than logical.
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Old December 11, 2006, 04:37 PM   #13
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i'm looking for an inexpensive and extremely reliable .22 rifle. i don't want to spend more than 150-200 hundred at the most.
i've read the cz 22 rifles shoot 2" inch groups at 100 yards out of the box, and are very reliable. the shorter scout model goes for about 200.
You heard correctly about the accuracy from a cz. On a windless day I can do a little better than 2". If you are a normally sized adult, I would recommend the full sized model. A couple of years ago they were easy to get for less than $200. They are a fine value.

If you don't mind used, a Brno #4 is a heavy barrelled version.
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Old December 11, 2006, 05:01 PM   #14
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I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but Savage Mark II..... Under $180 or so, but I am willing to bet it'll hang with the best of them. Have heard reports of them being horrible though, however mine will average 1" groups at 100.

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Old December 11, 2006, 05:05 PM   #15
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I purchased a CZ 452 Scout and a bunch of mags for my oldest nephew's 8th birthday. It has been a wonderful weapon for him.

Do not know about group size, as his maximum range is 50 yards but he hits that steel ram almost every time.

I highly recommend this weapon.
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Old December 11, 2006, 05:43 PM   #16
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CZ 452 are super accurate. I love;em. I scrounge the trash and find the little dots that turn color, after the guys use the main part of the target. I get mad if I miss one of those dots
at 25 yards, with my CZ. Triggers are easy to fix up, but, mine was plenty good from the factory.

Trigger pull is real important with rifles capable of that kind of accuracy, so, keep that in mind when looking at 22's.

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Old December 11, 2006, 06:55 PM   #17
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Soundscape, stick with your first idea...get a CZ. You cant beat that for the price.
I dont shoot much .22's for groups @ 100 yds... did the other day and got around a 3/4 inch group with SK subsonic with my varmint...
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Old December 11, 2006, 08:12 PM   #18
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Federal 510 out of CZ 452, 50 yards, 5 shots....



I'm not a great shot, but it's hard to match this kind of performance from a stock sub-300 dollar rifle. Savage boltie may come close, but I have no firsthand knowledge or experience. Granted, I can't shoot it this well all the time, but trust me, CZ rimfires will shoot the lights out if you use decent ammo.

Not bragging here, just like putting up photos because one pic is worth a thousand words, especially on forums like this one where everyone seems to shoot 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards, with 20 mph crosswinds, all day long...

Here's couple more from the same outing...





Quote:
i'm most concerned with reliability and accuracy.
any suggestions?
Don't get much better than a CZ 452, but it's a free country, so choose carefully...
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Old December 11, 2006, 09:13 PM   #19
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Cz's are exceedingly accurate, but you'll pay for it(as with most things of value)! A scout is a kids rifle, unless you are a short/small adult, or a Young Adult, the scout will be a cramped fit. Save up a little more and buy a Cz trainer, full size and same accuracy, but with less nice wood and maybe a non adjust trigger,dunno,visit their site for more info
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Old December 11, 2006, 10:22 PM   #20
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The CZ 452 is an amazing .22. You cannot go wrong with it.
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Old December 11, 2006, 10:43 PM   #21
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I STRONGLY recomend a savage mrk II. Its only like $100 at walmart and it comes with a crappy scope, but the scope is trash. Not to shure about the Cz but I was going to get one before I shot this. I was able to shoot a sub 1 inch groop at 75 yds with the crappy scope. Long story short it is an amazing rifle for $100, or for $200 for that matter. If your interested look at the forum I love my savage mrk II.
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Old December 16, 2006, 12:10 PM   #22
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The only thing keeping the CZ 452 from being a high dollar high quality rifle is the low price. You can beat a CZ 452 for the money. My 452 American 17HMR will group well under an 1" at 100 yards and so will my CZ 527 .223.
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Old December 16, 2006, 08:25 PM   #23
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Look at the CZ 513 basic. It is an economy version of the 452. It is just as accurate, it just isn't as fancy. I have one and love it. They can be found for under $200 new. I bought one anout a year and a half ago new for $165 on special. These rifles are really the best deal going out there on .22 rifles.
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Old December 17, 2006, 09:01 AM   #24
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the CZ 513 does not have the same adjustable trigger assy as the 452. The 513 and the 452 are not the same rifle.
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Old December 17, 2006, 10:38 AM   #25
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The 452 Scout is essentially the same as the 513 basic, but the Scout is a better rifle choice for the same price! Because it has the adjustable trigger and the single-shot option. And I think better wood also.
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