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Old April 24, 2006, 08:07 PM   #1
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Another +1 for the Anti-gun

This was from my NRA letter for a neighboring county here in Va.....I swear No. Va and So. Va should be different states. This is just rediculous, where do these people come up with ideas like this that will help anything.
Prince William County Resolution Limiting Hunting!
Please Contact The Board of Supervisors Now!

On Tuesday, April 18, by a vote of 6-2 the Prince William County Board of Supervisors approved a ban on the use of buckshot within the county. If this prohibition is allowed to move forward, only shotguns loaded with slugs will be allowed for hunting in Prince William County.

This illogical and unnecessary action taken by a majority of the Board of Supervisors can only be viewed as a blatant anti-hunting and anti-gun attack on law-abiding gun owners and hunters.

If you have not done so already, please contact the Board members below and urge them to reconsider the outright ban of buckshot. In order to ensure that hunters are able to use the ammunition that is most appropriate for their hunting conditions, NRA advocates that both slugs and buckshot should be allowed in Prince William County.

The Board of Supervisors will meet again on Tuesday, April 25, to officially prohibit the use of buckshot in Prince William County. Please plan on attending the meeting, as citizens will be afforded the opportunity to speak for three minutes on any matter.

Please be sure to forward this information to your family, friends and fellow Second Amendment supporters!
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Old April 24, 2006, 08:57 PM   #2
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I guess fish and game isn't state controlled in VA. I have never heard of local authorities being able to make decisions of this nature. Does this mean you can't have 00 in your home defense shotgun in VA?
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Old April 24, 2006, 08:57 PM   #3
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Even for self defence? Because 480 grains of lovin' isn't going to feel great for a home intruder.

North Virginia does have that annoying connection to DC.
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Old April 24, 2006, 09:14 PM   #4
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but if the lettering were to accidentally rub off the shell, who's to say WHAT kind of shot's in it? Surely good sense will prevail over such a boneheaded ban.

edited: just saw that this was hunting only. I feel a little better but still don't understand the point...

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Old April 24, 2006, 09:46 PM   #5
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As far as home defense im not sure, i am gonna wait to get the follow up to see what the details are. yes it is annoying cause i grew up in north va and i sit here everyday watching it turn to hell compared to when i was growing up.
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Old April 24, 2006, 09:50 PM   #6
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This is the odd thing. . . usually, I would think that counties would ban slugs. Where I hunt in South VA, slugs are banned (public land) and we have to use buckshot for hunting, due to the high density of hunters in the area.
OTOH, i'd feel much more comfortable taking a shot with a shotgun loaded with slugs than one loaded with buckshot (the place I hunt currently only allows buck). And speaking of only being able to use slugs I'd like to point out that they lifted a prohibition on slugs, so they are basically only changing from allowing buck and prohibiting slugs to allowing slugs and prohibiting buckshot.



According to the virginia briefing (washington post, granted, but still):

"The ordinance takes effect this hunting season. The board added wording allowing buckshot in protection of homes, crops and livestock"


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...1801628_2.html

This implies that the board could restrict buckshot at a later date, which doesn't make me happy. But i *think* this law, in and of itself, is neither a danger to hunters nor our gun rights.

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Old April 25, 2006, 07:26 AM   #7
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This is the odd thing. . . usually, I would think that counties would ban slugs. Where I hunt in South VA, slugs are banned (public land) and we have to use buckshot for hunting, due to the high density of hunters in the area.
OTOH, i'd feel much more comfortable taking a shot with a shotgun loaded with slugs than one loaded with buckshot (the place I hunt currently only allows buck). And speaking of only being able to use slugs I'd like to point out that they lifted a prohibition on slugs, so they are basically only changing from allowing buck and prohibiting slugs to allowing slugs and prohibiting buckshot.
Doesn't make much sense does it. Kinda like Ted Kennedy holding up a .30-.30 and claiming that it'll penetrate armor plating.
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Old April 25, 2006, 07:55 AM   #8
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Local Firearms Ordinances, Laws, and Regulations
The following counties and cities have regulations concerning the use and transportation of firearms. The number or numbers following that county name indicate the regulations listed below for that particular county. In addition, certain counties have ordinances other than those listed, primarily pertaining to possession of firearms near parks or schools, hunting or discharging firearms near populated areas, residences, or buildings and age limitations for possession of loaded firearms on public roads. If a locality is not listed, state firearms restrictions apply (see Legal Use of Firearms and Archery Equipment).

Accomack 43
Albemarle 16, 54
Amelia 15
Amherst 18
Arlington 59
Buckingham 12, 60
Caroline 6, 17
Campbell 11, 22
Charles City 17, 24
Chesapeake 29, 30, 46
Chesterfield 7, 14, 22, 37, 54, 70
Clarke 25, 54
Culpeper 18, 22, 54
Cumberland 17, 27, 42, 60
Danville 54
Dinwiddie 12, 13, 42
Essex 7, 42, 49
Fairfax 2, 25, 45
Fauquier 14, 18, 22, 36 37, 54
Floyd 18
Franklin 26
Gloucester 14
Goochland 2, 9, 17, 23
Greensville 15, 21, 22
Halifax 2, 33, 38, 61
Hampton (city) 31, 45
Hanover 7, 46, 53
Isle of Wight 8, 12, 35
James City 40, 54
King George 6,17, 22, 26, 54
King and Queen 39, 42
King William 10, 17, 18, 28
Lancaster 6, 12, 26
Loudoun 22, 54, 62, 63, 64, 65 Louisa 4, 9, 17, 27
Lunenburg 17
Madison 22, 25, 54
Mecklenburg 27
Middlesex 26
Nelson 22
New Kent 8, 12, 25, 54
Newport News 1
Northampton 7, 53
Northumberland 9, 17, 26, 42, 54
Orange 18, 22, 34
Petersburg 54
Pittsylvania 26
Poquoson (city) 68, 69, 71, 72
Prince George 7, 9, 32, 42
Prince William 2, 9, 12, 18 Rappahannock 18
Richmond 6, 7, 66, 67
Richmond (city) 54
Roanoke 25, 54
Rockbridge 54
Southampton 3, 8, 19, 41, 42
Stafford 18, 54
Suffolk 18, 44
Surry 7, 53, 54
Sussex 7, 48, 73
Virginia Beach 2, 7, 18, 54, 56, 57, 58
Warren 54
Westmoreland 9, 24, 50
Williamsburg 1, 54
York 46, 47

1. No discharge of firearms except on approved ranges.

2. No rifles larger than .22 for hunting.

3. Unlawful to hunt with a muzzleloading shotgun loaded with slugs or sabot slugs.

4. No rifles larger than .22 for hunting except groundhogs.

6. No rifles larger than .22 for hunting except groundhogs outside of the regular hunting season.

7. No rifles for deer hunting.

8. No rifles for big game hunting.

9. No hunting with shotguns loaded with slugs.

10. No hunting of big game with shotguns loaded with slugs.

11. It shall be unlawful to hunt with a firearm within the right-of-way of any primary or secondary highway.

12. It is lawful to use muzzleloading rifles for game animals in the regular hunting season.

13. It is lawful to hunt deer with muzzleloading rifles only from stands elevated 10 feet.

14. It is unlawful to hunt from the road with firearms.

15. It is unlawful to hunt with firearms from the road and within 10 feet of the ditch bank.

16. It is unlawful to hunt within 50 feet of the road.

17. Muzzleloading rifles are permitted during any authorized deer season where firearms are permitted.

18. It is unlawful to hunt with a firearm within 100 yds. of a road. 19. It is unlawful to transport, possess or carry a loaded rifle in any vehicle while on the road from October 1 through February 15.

21. It is unlawful to transport or possess a loaded shotgun or loaded rifle on the road from October 1 through Feb. 15.

22. It is unlawful to possess a loaded firearm on the road except when permission to hunt is obtained from landowners on each side.

23. It is unlawful to transport or possess loaded shotgun or loaded rifle on the road from sundown to sunrise.

24. No rifles over 22 caliber for hunting except for groundhogs between March 1 and August 31.

25. No hunting with firearms of game species from within 100 yds. of a road.

26. No hunting with firearms of any game animal from the road right of way.

27. No hunting with firearms from the road including ditch to ditch.

28. No hunting with a rifle larger than .22 or shotgun slugs during the deer season.

29. When 100 yds. from a road and elevated from a stand 15 ft. above ground a rifle may be used to hunt big game east of the Dismal Swamp line.

30. It is unlawful to carry a loaded firearm on the road or on the right-of-way.

31. All hunting within the City of Hampton is prohibited, with the exception of shotgun hunting from a licensed blind. No shot larger than 00 buckshot may be used, and no shot shall be discharged landward within 500 feet of the shoreline.

32. It is lawful to hunt deer with muzzleloading rifles only from stands elevated at least 10 feet above the ground; however, this requirement shall be expressly inapplicable to all legally handicapped persons.

33. The use of a muzzleloading rifle shall be permitted during the early muzzleloading season and during the entire regular firearm season for deer hunting.

34. It is unlawful to transport or possess a loaded shotgun or rifle in a vehicle on a road during open deer season.
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Old April 25, 2006, 07:56 AM   #9
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35. It shall be unlawful to possess outside of a vehicle, or shoot or hunt with a rifle, muzzleloader, pistol, or shotgun loaded with slugs, or to possess shotgun slugs on Ragged Island Wildlife Management Area in Isle of Wight County. In addition, it shall be unlawful to discharge any firearm within 100 yards of the boardwalk or nature trail on Ragged Island Wildlife Management Area.

36. It is unlawful to discharge a firearm from or across any sidewalk, highway or on public land.

37. It is unlawful for minors to carry firearms on public highways or public lands unless accompanied by certain adults.

38. It shall be unlawful to use any ammunition larger than .22 rimfire while hunting, except rifles up to .25 may be used to hunt groundhogs from March 1 to September 1 with written permission from the landowner.

39. It shall be lawful to use muzzleloading rifles for deer and squirrels during the regular seasons.

40. It shall be unlawful to discharge a rifle larger than .22 caliber, a muzzleloader larger than .36 caliber, or a shotgun loaded with slugs except from stands elevated at least 10 feet above the ground, except for groundhogs in certain areas between March 1 and September 1.

41 It shall be unlawful to hunt with a muzzleloading rifle at anytime.

42. It shall be unlawful to use a rifle of a caliber larger than .22 rimfire except that groundhogs may be hunted with a rifle of a caliber larger than .22 rimfire between March 1 and August 31.

43. It shall be unlawful to hunt with a firearm on or within 50 feet of the center of any primary and secondary highway.

44. East of the Dismal Swamp line (see page 8 for definition of line) Rifles, including muzzleloading rifles, are permitted for big game hunting when used from stands elevated 15 feet above the ground (except legally handicapped hunters are exempt from tree stand requirements); no special early or late muzzleloader seasons in effect. West of the Dismal Swamp line (see page 8 for definition of line) No rifles for big game hunting. However, when hunting from a stand 10 feet above the ground (except legally handicapped hunters are exempt from tree stand requirements) muzzleloading rifles are lawful for game species during all open seasons, including special muzzle-loading deer seasons.

45. All rifles, pistols, or shotguns loaded with slugs prohibited for any hunting.

46. Discharging firearms or air-operated or gas-operated weapons prohibited within certain areas: check local county/city ordinances.

47. No discharge of rifles larger than .22 except on approved ranges.

48. Muzzleloading rifles permitted during the special muzzleloading season.

49. Muzzleloading rifles are permitted during any authorized firearms season for the hunting of game animals except for the hunting of turkeys during the spring gobbler season.

50. Shotguns loaded with slugs and muzzleloading rifles may be used for big game hunting.

53. It is lawful to hunt deer with muzzleloading rifles.

54. It is unlawful to transport, possess, or carry a loaded rifle or shotgun in any vehicle on any public street, road or highway.

56. No discharge of firearms across or within 150 yards of any building, dwelling, street, sidewalk, alley, roadway, public land, or public place.

57. No discharge of firearms north or west of a line from the Chesapeake-Virginia Beach boundary; thence northwardly along North Landing Road; thence eastwardly along Indian River Road; thence northeastwardly along New Bridge Road; thence eastwardly along Sandbridge Road to the Atlantic Ocean, or across any land north of False Cape Park and east of Shipps Bay and Point Creek. No discharge of rifles larger than .22 south of this line except muzzleloading rifles may be used to hunt deer during the firearms deer season.

58. Shotguns firing pellets lawful on certain agricultural lands of fifty contiguous acres or more, and on certain lands south of a line from the Chesapeake-Virginia Beach boundary, thence northeastwardly along Elbow Road; thence southeastwardly along Salem Road; thence northeastwardly along North Landstown Road; thence southeastwardly along Princess Anne Road; thence eastwardly along Sandbridge Road to the Atlantic Ocean. The property must be permitted by the City Manger for this purpose.

59. It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge or shoot off a firearm in the county. It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge or shoot or throw any dangerous missiles by mechanical, explosive, air-or gas-propelled means, or similar method or device onto or across any public sidewalk, path, or roadway, at any public structure or building, or at or onto the property of another. It is unlawful for any person to shoot a compound bow, crossbow, longbow, or recurve bow at or upon the property of another without permission. It shall be unlawful to discharge a projectile from any of the aforementioned bows within 100 yards of any public road, public building or structure, private residence or structure, or property of another. Nothing in this ordinance shall be construed to prohibit the use of firearms or other instruments or missiles or compound bows, crossbows, longbows, or recurve bows in lawful self defense or in the lawful defense of property, or to prohibit the use of firearms or other missiles or compound bows, crossbows, longbows, or recurve bows in supervised sport, recreation, or training conducted on safety-inspected and approved ranges and courses, provided the same is not contrary to existing law.

60. It is lawful to hunt deer with rifles from stands elevated 10 feet above the ground during the regular hunting season.

61. It is unlawful to hunt or attempt to hunt on a primary or secondary state maintained highway, and within the side ditches of such highways.

62. Discharging firearms is prohibited within certain areas (check local county ordinance for area description), except deer hunting is permitted with handguns, shotguns, or muzzleloading rifles using a single projectile and all other hunting is allowed with rifles of .22 caliber rimfire or less, handguns, shotguns, and muzzleloading rifles using single or multiple projectiles.

63. The discharge of firearms is prohibited within 50 yards of a highway in the primary or secondary system of state roads.

64. Discharge of firearms is prohibited within 100 yards of any public park or school.

65. Discharge of firearms is prohibited within 100 yards of a building with a current occupancy permit unless the owner or authorized agent has given permission.

66. Muzzleloaders shall be legal firearms during any firearms season.

67. Shotgun slugs shall be permitted for deer hunting.

68. It shall be unlawful for any person to transport, possess or carry a loaded shotgun, rifle, pistol, or firearm of any nature in any vehicle or on his person over, along or on any public street, road or highway in the city.

69. It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge an air gun, spring gun or firearm from, along, across or toward, or within 300 yards of any paved public street, highway or road or any building in the city.

70. It shall be lawful to hunt game species with a muzzleloading rifle during the prescribed open seasons.

71. The discharge or use of a rifle, except for a .22 caliber rim fire is prohibited within the city limits.

72. The use of muzzleloading rifles during the prescribed open seasons for the hunting of game species is permitted in the city; provided, however, that the use of such muzzleloading rifle shall be only from a stand located at least 10 feet above the ground.

73. No rifles for turkey hunting.
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Old April 25, 2006, 01:15 PM   #10
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so much for 'Shall not be infringed' eh? Meanwhile isn't the only really need thing you need a local sheriff with good sense? This seems kinda excessive by me...
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Old April 25, 2006, 01:15 PM   #11
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Old April 25, 2006, 01:55 PM   #12
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PW County supervisors are more gun-ignorant than anti-gun or anti-RKBA. There are sound safety arguments for both slugs and buckshot in a mixed semi-urban and downright rural county like PWC. MCB Quantico, which adjoins the county near my house, allows only buckshot. Fauquier county next door, IIRC, allows buck or ball. So it's a mixed bag around here.

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Old April 26, 2006, 06:45 AM   #13
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Update from VCDL as of Wednesday 04/26:
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Andrew Amerine did some more digging for information on Wednesday's
meeting on the buckshot issue in Prince William.
Although the meeting will be in the Board of Supervisors' room, the
meeting is not a Board of Supervisors meeting, but it is a meeting of
the Weapons Control Board. That is just as important as this Board's
recommendation to the BoS will be given considerable sway.
First I've even heard we have a weapons control board in PWC. I don't much like the sound of it...

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Old April 26, 2006, 12:13 PM   #14
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Even for self defence? Because 480 grains of lovin' isn't going to feel great for a home intruder.
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