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Old October 9, 2005, 04:23 PM   #26
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No, I'm not a LEO. I own my own business importing and wholesaling automobile parts.

I am just saying that in this situation the LEO doesn't need another variable to deal with. The distraction might cause a split second delay in action that gets him killed.

He might assume you are an unaccounted for bad guy and shoot you.

The bad guys will also be shooting at you.

The backup cops are likely to shoot at you.

All in all, unless its going to be a long drawn out affair (that bank robbery with the guys in body armor) you would probably be in danger and maybe little help to the cop.

But I'm willing to be corrected by Capt. "What's his name". etc.

I'm just giving my best advice. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say you helping would turn out badly 9 out of 10 times.
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Old October 9, 2005, 04:42 PM   #27
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The police never were mean't to protect everyone. We are all in this community together. I agree that if say the police have a man cornered in his busted car or house, it would make little sense for me to walk up with my gun and try to help. They have the situation under control, they have all but apprehended the bad guy, that's their job.
Sometimes things just don't work out that way. I'm not saying we should get CHL licences and go out and play G.I. Joe, you do want to be discerning, but A policeman, like everyone else, can need help sometimes. He is part of this community too, and if the badguy kills him and or gets away then the next target might be someone else.

Yes, the police might mistake and ununiformed person to be another bad guy. But heck, friendly fire happens in battle all the time. It's part of the risk of combat. That is not sufficient argument to say that we should stay out of the problem. In fact, to that argument, I would say what if a plain clothes detective was present during the incident of the traffic cop being shot at, he could be mistaken for a bad guy if he pulled his gun and started shooting couldn't he? Does that mean he should stay out of it? Of course not.

I will just turn this posting over to a former Austin Policeman and Texas Ranger. Ramiero "Ray" Martinez. He was the policeman who killed the sniper at the UT Tower in Austin Texas back in 1966. This is taken from his book "The Call Me Ranger Ray" on page 84

I was and am still upset that more recognition has not been given to the citizens who pulled out their hunting rifles and returned the sniper's fire. The City of Austin and the State of Texas should be forever thankful and grateful to them because of the many lives they saved that day. The sniper did a lot of damage when he could fire freely, but when the armed citizens began to return fire the sniper had to take cover. He had to shoot out the rainspouts and that limited his targets. I am grateful to the citizens because they made my job easier.
I think that pretty much says it all. That's quite different from what the stupid movie "Deadly Tower" portrayed. (In the movie these civilians were portrayed as a bunch of trigger happy Texans shooting anything that moved) However as Martinez put it, you gotta take that movie with a [I]ton[I] of salt. (He reeeeally didn't like that movie as he expressed both in his book and in person)
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Old October 9, 2005, 04:55 PM   #28
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call me a butt but....

I would stay out of it. I am not going to risk my life for anyone but about 2 people besides myself.
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Old October 9, 2005, 04:57 PM   #29
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I think that undercover police officers are quite likely recognized by traffic cops.

I think that a long running gun balltle like the sniper situation is different. I said as much.

I also think that you owe your life to your family and need to think twice about leaving a family without your presence. By the time you get into the fight, its probably over anyway.

But if your wife and kids vote for you to get into it, feel free. Ask them to not fiel for welfare if the worst happens though.
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