Getting drawn in

Apple a Day · July 6, 2004, 07:48 AM

I think I am getting drawn in.
I just got back from a family vacation out to Wyoming and Kansas. Out in Shoshoni, Wyoming I have an uncle who has a little sporting goods shop - White's Sporting Goods, if you've ever been out that direction. He has all kinds of blackpowder guns/parts, cowboy guns, furs, gear... all sorts of frontier stuff. He even has a stuffed buffalo named Commodore in his dining room. If you're ever at the hot springs or dinosaur museum in Thermopolis, swing through the Big Horn/Windy River canyon south 25 miles and your're in Shoshoni. If you need parts for black powder, he's got it. Just my luck to have an uncle who's an FFL but on the other side of the country.

In Kansas, I ended up in Coffeyville, where the Dalton gang got shot up. There is a museum, which is pretty small and more of a random collection of old junk than anything else but the square is still there and they do a reenactment every October. It certainly gets the imagination going.
Lastly, a friend is taking me shooting in a few days who is really into CAS.
I have to admit that I am taking an interest. Now I just have to convince the Mrs. that this is God's way of telling me to get a new gun.

I am looking at a couple of revolvers, a repro Colt 1851 and a Remington 1858.
Are there any common no-no's I should make sure to avoid?

Any .45 · July 6, 2004, 08:48 AM

Thank you,

Augustus McCrae · July 6, 2004, 05:35 PM

Sounds like you're hooked. Welcome to the Dark side.

faraway · July 7, 2004, 01:26 AM

No, no's...not really, but a few...
Minor things... make very sure the ball shaves a ring of lead going into the cylinder. Some repros the cylinder dimensions can be a bit lax, and although a loose ball loads easier, increases the chances of a flash discharge in the chamber. And grease the chamber mouths with something besides Crisco. If firing fast, not uncommon for the Crisco to melt, and run out. In addition to the muck, a problem if a chamber has a loose fitting ball.

The Colt's, many people don't grease the arbor. The grooves on the arbor are made to carry
the grease, and so keep it running longer when it's fouled. And watch the wedges, and keep a spare. Very rare happening, but they can sometimes slip away with heavy loads (more a Dragoon concern that a Navy).

If using Nitrated or light paper cartridges, especially on Navy (which takes a light load), make very sure no little bits of embered paper stay in the chambers.

On the Remington's, keep watch on the fouling. Due to the smaller cylinder arbor, and enclosed frame, these foul easier. I've seen a few cases where the thing has been fouled so badly, that the cylinder pin has had to be taken out with a mallet. Also the loading lever on a Remington doesn't have as much leverage as a Colt, so don't push it too hard.

Extra cylinders, don't cap them, or get some heavy leather cases.

**4V50 Gary** · July 7, 2004, 07:27 PM

Avoid brass frame repros. Brass stretches after a while. If I had to get a working repro cap-lock, I'd go Uberti.

Apple a Day · July 8, 2004, 04:56 PM

Thanks for the advice, all.

July 6, 2004, 07:48 AM	#1
Apple a Day Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2000 Location: Poquoson,Virginia Posts: 1,524	Getting drawn in I think I am getting drawn in. I just got back from a family vacation out to Wyoming and Kansas. Out in Shoshoni, Wyoming I have an uncle who has a little sporting goods shop - White's Sporting Goods, if you've ever been out that direction. He has all kinds of blackpowder guns/parts, cowboy guns, furs, gear... all sorts of frontier stuff. He even has a stuffed buffalo named Commodore in his dining room. If you're ever at the hot springs or dinosaur museum in Thermopolis, swing through the Big Horn/Windy River canyon south 25 miles and your're in Shoshoni. If you need parts for black powder, he's got it. Just my luck to have an uncle who's an FFL but on the other side of the country. In Kansas, I ended up in Coffeyville, where the Dalton gang got shot up. There is a museum, which is pretty small and more of a random collection of old junk than anything else but the square is still there and they do a reenactment every October. It certainly gets the imagination going. Lastly, a friend is taking me shooting in a few days who is really into CAS. I have to admit that I am taking an interest. Now I just have to convince the Mrs. that this is God's way of telling me to get a new gun. I am looking at a couple of revolvers, a repro Colt 1851 and a Remington 1858. Are there any common no-no's I should make sure to avoid? __________________ THose who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules. Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

July 6, 2004, 08:48 AM	#2
Any .45 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2004 Location: SW FLORIDA, USA Posts: 604	Thank you, __________________ Foster and polish The warior spirit While serving in the world; Illuminate the path According to your inner light" "Spring forth from the Great Earth; Billow like Great Waves; Stand like a tree, sit like a rock; Use One to strike All. Learn and forget! " "At the instant A warrior Confronts a foe, All things Come into focus" Morihei Ueshiba (1883-1969) Founder of Aikido

July 7, 2004, 07:27 PM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,841	Avoid brass frame repros. Brass stretches after a while. If I had to get a working repro cap-lock, I'd go Uberti. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

July 8, 2004, 04:56 PM	#6
Apple a Day Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2000 Location: Poquoson,Virginia Posts: 1,524	Thanks for the advice, all. __________________ THose who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules. Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

July 6, 2004, 05:35 PM	#3
Augustus McCrae Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: On the Chisolm Trail Posts: 17	Sounds like you're hooked. Welcome to the Dark side.

July 7, 2004, 01:26 AM	#4
faraway Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2001 Location: ne montana Posts: 437	No, no's...not really, but a few... Minor things... make very sure the ball shaves a ring of lead going into the cylinder. Some repros the cylinder dimensions can be a bit lax, and although a loose ball loads easier, increases the chances of a flash discharge in the chamber. And grease the chamber mouths with something besides Crisco. If firing fast, not uncommon for the Crisco to melt, and run out. In addition to the muck, a problem if a chamber has a loose fitting ball. The Colt's, many people don't grease the arbor. The grooves on the arbor are made to carry the grease, and so keep it running longer when it's fouled. And watch the wedges, and keep a spare. Very rare happening, but they can sometimes slip away with heavy loads (more a Dragoon concern that a Navy). If using Nitrated or light paper cartridges, especially on Navy (which takes a light load), make very sure no little bits of embered paper stay in the chambers. On the Remington's, keep watch on the fouling. Due to the smaller cylinder arbor, and enclosed frame, these foul easier. I've seen a few cases where the thing has been fouled so badly, that the cylinder pin has had to be taken out with a mallet. Also the loading lever on a Remington doesn't have as much leverage as a Colt, so don't push it too hard. Extra cylinders, don't cap them, or get some heavy leather cases.