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Old December 11, 2002, 07:30 AM   #1
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UK: "DIY Guns Terror"

You see, the problem is American internet sites. Stupid 1st Amt. I wonder if our British friends will be able to log onto TFL in a year's time.

"Campaigners want the Government to pass tough measures to regulate the internet. Gill Marshall-Andrews, chairwoman of the Gun Control Network, said: "Legislation has to evolve as technology and modes of communication evolve. We are concerned about these websites."

http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/pag...l&siteid=86024

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DIY GUNS TERROR
Gangsters make lethal weapons from copper pipes, cigarette lighters and bike pumps

Norman Silvester Exclusive

THESE are the shocking DIY lethal weapons built from step-by-step blueprints uncovered by Sunday Mail investigators.

We can reveal half of the guns seized in Scotland were home-made or replica firearms turned into deadly weapons by gangsters.

Most are being manufactured from guides that are freely available or copied from American based internet sites.

Of the examples here, only one resembles a traditional gun. But all three have one thing in common - they kill.

A 10-year-old German starting pistol was turned into a self-loading pistol.

A rifle made from copper using igniters from cigarette lighters and a bicycle pump, pierces metal with ammo made out of nails.

A "micro-gun" made from a pill bottle and pen case fires .22inch pellets.

We found more than 2000 websites explain how to make rifles, machine guns and rocket launchers. Some also supply the parts by air mail.

One site says: "You don't need a fancy machine shop or knowledge of chemistry to make the guns covered here. All you need are ordinary hand tools."

Another gave easy-to-follow instructions on building a 9mm submachine gun in a week using an electric drill, file, hacksaw and hammer.

And one boasts: "Build your own 9mm, blowback, selective-fire submachine gun that's as powerful as an Uzi or HK MP5 but has fewer parts and is more durable. Simply follow the step-by-step instructions."

When finished, the duplicate guns are capable of firing 10 bullets a second and look almost identical to Israeli and German-made originals.

The converted starting pistol was seized by Strathclyde Police. It was put together in around 90 minutes and can fire live ammunition.

Detective Supt Ruaraidh Nicholson said the force is aware home-made weapons are circulating. He added: "One of these is one too many.

"Criminals use the internet and we can do nothing to stop them accessing this type of information. But people who make their own weapons are breaking the law."

Gun crime in Scotland has soared by 10 per cent in the last year, with much of the rise being blamed on criminals acquiring home-made guns.

A spokesman for the National Criminal Intelligence Service said: "The purchase of firearm components via the internet may change the nature and scale of the threat from criminals in the UK.

"The apparent ease with which such firearms are acquired has led them to being described as an entry level firearm for criminals who do not yet have the contacts to buy a real one."

Some of the biggest users of home-made guns are loyalist terror groups in Northern Ireland. Many of the weapons pass through Scotland on their way to Ulster.

Last week, police in Kent raided a house which was being used as a gun factory and seized six weapons which had been converted from replicas.

Most of the internet gun information is on easily accessible sites sites or leaked from US Army, Marine and CIA manuals.

One book backed up by several websites gives detailed instructions on how to make M-16 assault rifles, used by the American military and a favoured terrorist weapon.

Other books and websites give plans on building silencers at your kitchen table and methods of making guns and ammunition from everyday materials including ink pens, tyre gauges, knives and beer cans.

Another site provides all the technical know-how necessary to manufacture ammunition.

A UK-based website includes instructions on how to build weapons using household objects. The site's owner boasts DIY guns provide "pure, unadulterated power".

Ballistics expert Alan Birkbeck of Glasgow University said: "The gun might not necessarily look like a gun but it could kill or maim someone.

"It is more likely that criminals would employ someone to make weapons for them in some form of backstreet workshop."

Campaigners want the Government to pass tough measures to regulate the internet. Gill Marshall-Andrews, chairwoman of the Gun Control Network, said: "Legislation has to evolve as technology and modes of communication evolve. We are concerned about these websites."

The Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland want a ban on air weapons which can be converted into real guns, in particular the Remington Derringer and Brocock air pistol which can be altered to fire live rounds.

Several modified Brococks have been recovered by Strathclyde Police recently.

Last year there were 1030 instances of firearms being used in Scotland, compared to 938 in 2000. A gun was fired in 68 per cent of cases.

Five people were shot dead last year and 343 people were injured, a rise of 14 per cent.

There were 29 attempted murders and 115 robberies using guns.

Police say the true level of gun crime in Scotland may be much higher as criminals do not always report gun attacks.

It is illegal in Britain to own a gun or any gun parts without a licence. It is also against the law to attempt to build a firearm or activate a replica.

Even people with a licence must inform the police if they intend to buy gun parts.

Anyone who wants to make guns legally must apply for a licence from the Home Office and be subject to stringent investigation.
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Old December 11, 2002, 09:03 AM   #2
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Al Gore hadn`t invented the internet when I was in high school. There zip guns were made in shop class using car antennas, rubber bands and nails. Or so I`ve been told.
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Old December 11, 2002, 11:41 AM   #3
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Hmmm, the blissninnies in England are less concerned about "how to build guns" knowledge being shared then "how to defend your rights" knowledge being shared I'll bet.

Anybody remember what the state of gun rights was like pre-Internet?
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Old December 11, 2002, 11:52 AM   #4
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Quote: Most of the internet gun information is on easily accessible sites sites or leaked from US Army, Marine and CIA manuals.

One book backed up by several websites gives detailed instructions on how to make M-16 assault rifles, used by the American military and a favoured terrorist weapon. End Quote

My BS detector is going on this one.

So the marines and the CIA have instructions to make a home made gun on their websites? Horse POOP

Anyone can make an M-16???????
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Just get an M-16 factory via mail delivered to your house.
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Old December 11, 2002, 12:31 PM   #5
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Wow. I was under the impression that the "Zip Gun" was reasonably widespread and predated the internet by about 75 years.
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I guess I was wrong. We must ban the free exchange of ideas.
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Old December 11, 2002, 02:13 PM   #6
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have them sue Gore " he invented the net" *g*

reality is anyone can find anything if they want to. just another excuse to control the people-

less gov't meddlin' more individual rights
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Old December 12, 2002, 01:20 PM   #7
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I'll repeat the quote, just 'cause it sounds so good (and is so on-point...)

"In order to ban guns, you must first ban knowledge of guns. In order to ban knowledge of guns, you must first ban knowledge itself." - L. Neil Smith

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Old December 12, 2002, 01:33 PM   #8
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What's next? Will the British government intern all engineers? :barf:
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Old December 12, 2002, 02:28 PM   #9
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Time for the HEAP.
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Old December 12, 2002, 02:47 PM   #10
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Poor foolish Brits.
They seem to think guns bans actually work!

No government have been able to successfully ban firearms and none ever will. Limit access some,yes, successfully ban and exclude them all together....never happen.

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