best powder for 30-06 w. 150gr bullets

tex_n_cal · October 14, 2002, 11:16 PM

I know I am the first person to ever ask this question

but can someone recommend one of the newer powders for the old Ought Six? The rifle in question is a bolt action, so no issues with Garands & powder burning rates. I'm looking for the best combo of accuracy and velocity, within sane pressure limits.

I really like Reloader powders - have tried Reloader 19 and gotten good accuracy, but with this lot of powder I see velocities that are struggling to match factory speeds over the chrono, and case expansion is greater than factory levels. I know that 4350 will also do the job, but I was wondering what others could recommend.

sricciardelli · October 15, 2002, 01:02 AM

H-414 From 48.5 grains to 60.4 grains
Winchester WLR Primer

**Bud Helms** · October 15, 2002, 05:27 AM

W760

Khornet · October 15, 2002, 05:54 AM

56-60 grains

DAVID NANCARROW · October 15, 2002, 06:42 AM

One way to determine which powder is best for your particular application is to look at a few current reloading manuals and take a hard look at the the top 3 or 4 powders showing the highest velocity at their starting loads. This was passed on to me by an old reloader long since gone, and has worked well for me for 20+ years.

Southla1 · October 15, 2002, 08:22 AM

Got to agree withn Steve and Sensop H-414 and WW760 are very close in burning rate and will work well............IMR 4320 is not a bad powder either and of course the old standard IMR-4895 will work too................a tad slower velocities, and higher pressures with it though.

Clint Tickler · October 15, 2002, 10:41 AM

I've never gotten around to trying RL-19 but I'm totally sold on RL-15 for my .308's and .06. In the .06 I use 53 grains of 15; 150 grain Nosler BT; and a Fed 210M primer. Average 2800 FPS. Lee says 53.6 is max but I haven't pushed it there yet. Maybe you can find a powder that will give you more speed but I get such good accuracy out of that old Rem 700 with that load that I don't screw with it anymore. Good luck.

Shoney · October 16, 2002, 02:16 AM

IMR 4064 has given me the best accuracy and the highest velocity combination of all the powders I have tried with 150 gr bullets in the 06.

Shoney

444 · October 16, 2002, 02:22 AM

I can't offer you any Guicci loads. My standard deer load is 60.2 grains of H4350 and a Hornady Interlok. This year, I am going to be using the same load with a Sierra Game King bullet. This gives you close to 3000 fps. I was testing some handgun loads the other day and fired one of my deer rounds through the screens; it was 2968, so that velocity is pretty close. The deer I have shot with this load looked like they were hit by lightning.
If you are looking for "new" powders, Hodgdon began making their extreme powders a few years ago. Same burn rate but it is supposed to maintain that burn rate over a much wider range of ambient temperatures.

Art Eatman · October 16, 2002, 11:11 PM

Aw, you know how it is about habits. I started loading 52.5 grains of 4064 because my uncle said that's what I oughta use. I'm gonna argue with my uncle?

That was in 1950. The load doesn't seem to care what primer I use, or what brand of bullet I use. It just keeps shooting tight groups and Bambi keeps falling over, flop.

, Art

tex_n_cal · October 16, 2002, 11:51 PM

funny how tight groups usually = Bambi falling over

I love Reloader 22 in the .25-06, .270, & .300 win mag, figured R19 would be great in the '06 - one lot of powder looked like great stuff, the next lot really acted wierd, less velocity AND more case expansion. Puzzling. I may get another lot and see what it does.

The load I'm using of R19 is slightly compressed when the bullet is seated, and is giving 2850 fps.

I also do have some H414 and 4350, both of which sound like great choices.

Anyone try the Ramshot or Vhitavouri (I hope that's how it's spelled) powders?

cheygriz · October 16, 2002, 11:53 PM

H414, 58-1/2 GR with Remington 9 1/2 standard LR primers and either Speer 150 Spitzers or Remington 150 Core-Lokt. Good for 2950FPS from my Model 70 XTR Featherweight. Cases last about 8-10 loadings in my gun. Not quite max in my rifle, but close enough for my needs.

H414, WW760 and IMR 4350 are all similar in burning rate. The ball powders can be metered through any powder measure, where the extruded powders cannot.

NOTE!!!!!!

Work up to this load from about 56.0 GR

Fred S · October 17, 2002, 08:51 AM

I use IMR 4895, 47.5 grains. The milspec load is 50 gr of IMR 4895. I do the 2.5 less for saftey and those rounds are accurrate in my Garands and M1903s

October 14, 2002, 11:16 PM	#1
tex_n_cal Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2002 Location: North Carolina! Posts: 308	best powder for 30-06 w. 150gr bullets I know I am the first person to ever ask this question but can someone recommend one of the newer powders for the old Ought Six? The rifle in question is a bolt action, so no issues with Garands & powder burning rates. I'm looking for the best combo of accuracy and velocity, within sane pressure limits. I really like Reloader powders - have tried Reloader 19 and gotten good accuracy, but with this lot of powder I see velocities that are struggling to match factory speeds over the chrono, and case expansion is greater than factory levels. I know that 4350 will also do the job, but I was wondering what others could recommend. __________________ With top loads & hard cast bullets, a .357 mag, .41 mag, .44 special, .44 mag, .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .475 Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .500 Linebaugh Maximum, and .500 S&W will all shoot through Bison. To select the gun, determine how big a hole you want to put in the Bison, and how much recoil you can stand

October 15, 2002, 01:02 AM	#2
sricciardelli Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2001 Location: Montana Posts: 489	H-414 From 48.5 grains to 60.4 grains Winchester WLR Primer __________________ http://stevespages.com/page8.htm

October 15, 2002, 05:54 AM	#4
Khornet Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: NH Posts: 585	Accurate 3100 56-60 grains __________________ The M1 does MY talking!

October 16, 2002, 02:16 AM	#8
Shoney Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2002 Location: Transplanted from Montana Posts: 2,311	IMR 4064 has given me the best accuracy and the highest velocity combination of all the powders I have tried with 150 gr bullets in the 06. Shoney __________________ I pledge allegiance to the Flag - - -, and to the Republic for which it stands….Our Forefathers were brilliant for giving us a Republic, not a democracy! Do you know the difference??? and WHY?http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=111

October 16, 2002, 02:22 AM	#9
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,968	I can't offer you any Guicci loads. My standard deer load is 60.2 grains of H4350 and a Hornady Interlok. This year, I am going to be using the same load with a Sierra Game King bullet. This gives you close to 3000 fps. I was testing some handgun loads the other day and fired one of my deer rounds through the screens; it was 2968, so that velocity is pretty close. The deer I have shot with this load looked like they were hit by lightning. If you are looking for "new" powders, Hodgdon began making their extreme powders a few years ago. Same burn rate but it is supposed to maintain that burn rate over a much wider range of ambient temperatures. __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

October 15, 2002, 05:27 AM	#3
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	W760

October 15, 2002, 06:42 AM	#5
DAVID NANCARROW Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,761	One way to determine which powder is best for your particular application is to look at a few current reloading manuals and take a hard look at the the top 3 or 4 powders showing the highest velocity at their starting loads. This was passed on to me by an old reloader long since gone, and has worked well for me for 20+ years.

October 15, 2002, 08:22 AM	#6
Southla1 Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 19, 2000 Location: Jeanerette, La. Near the Posts: 1,999	Got to agree withn Steve and Sensop H-414 and WW760 are very close in burning rate and will work well............IMR 4320 is not a bad powder either and of course the old standard IMR-4895 will work too................a tad slower velocities, and higher pressures with it though.

October 15, 2002, 10:41 AM	#7
Clint Tickler Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 1999 Location: Seattle Area Posts: 184	I've never gotten around to trying RL-19 but I'm totally sold on RL-15 for my .308's and .06. In the .06 I use 53 grains of 15; 150 grain Nosler BT; and a Fed 210M primer. Average 2800 FPS. Lee says 53.6 is max but I haven't pushed it there yet. Maybe you can find a powder that will give you more speed but I get such good accuracy out of that old Rem 700 with that load that I don't screw with it anymore. Good luck.

October 16, 2002, 11:11 PM	#10
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Aw, you know how it is about habits. I started loading 52.5 grains of 4064 because my uncle said that's what I oughta use. I'm gonna argue with my uncle? That was in 1950. The load doesn't seem to care what primer I use, or what brand of bullet I use. It just keeps shooting tight groups and Bambi keeps falling over, flop. , Art

October 16, 2002, 11:51 PM	#11
tex_n_cal Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2002 Location: North Carolina! Posts: 308	funny how tight groups usually = Bambi falling over I love Reloader 22 in the .25-06, .270, & .300 win mag, figured R19 would be great in the '06 - one lot of powder looked like great stuff, the next lot really acted wierd, less velocity AND more case expansion. Puzzling. I may get another lot and see what it does. The load I'm using of R19 is slightly compressed when the bullet is seated, and is giving 2850 fps. I also do have some H414 and 4350, both of which sound like great choices. Anyone try the Ramshot or Vhitavouri (I hope that's how it's spelled) powders? __________________ With top loads & hard cast bullets, a .357 mag, .41 mag, .44 special, .44 mag, .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .475 Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .500 Linebaugh Maximum, and .500 S&W will all shoot through Bison. To select the gun, determine how big a hole you want to put in the Bison, and how much recoil you can stand

October 16, 2002, 11:53 PM	#12
cheygriz Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2002 Location: high up in the rockies Posts: 2,289	H414, 58-1/2 GR with Remington 9 1/2 standard LR primers and either Speer 150 Spitzers or Remington 150 Core-Lokt. Good for 2950FPS from my Model 70 XTR Featherweight. Cases last about 8-10 loadings in my gun. Not quite max in my rifle, but close enough for my needs. H414, WW760 and IMR 4350 are all similar in burning rate. The ball powders can be metered through any powder measure, where the extruded powders cannot. NOTE!!!!!! Work up to this load from about 56.0 GR __________________ If you think a mighty military force is expensive, wait 'til you see what a weak one costs.

October 17, 2002, 08:51 AM	#13
Fred S Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 1999 Location: New Baltimore, MI Posts: 569	I use IMR 4895, 47.5 grains. The milspec load is 50 gr of IMR 4895. I do the 2.5 less for saftey and those rounds are accurrate in my Garands and M1903s __________________ Fred S GO ARMY