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Old November 1, 1999, 02:17 PM   #1
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I'm looking at ordering a case of .223 from the shotgun news. What kind of bulk ammo do you guys recommend. Looking for reliable and clean. Also looking at what the muzzleblast is like for shooting at night. And how good is that steel cased russian stuff? Does it wear on you gun too much?
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Old November 1, 1999, 05:42 PM   #2
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I haven't had any trouble with the steel-cased Russian .223. Some have said that it might cause accelarated wear on your extractor, but since those only cost $10 or so, I'll risk it.

I bought some bulk Israeli .223 from Burns Bros a while back. It was just dumped into an ammo can, loose. Dings, dents, and lots of jams resulted.
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Old November 1, 1999, 10:01 PM   #3
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Try the Russian Wolf ammo. Visit their web site at:
I buy it when ever it is cheap, and shoot about 1000rds. in two months or less. I also buy the Wolf 7.62x39mm it is also a great deal at $100 a case. Also check out this address: for great deals on mil ammo.

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Old November 2, 1999, 12:10 AM   #4
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The Ruskie stuff if you have no respect for your firearm.

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Old November 3, 1999, 11:29 PM   #5
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Go to and go to the hunting section. They sell bulk ammunition.
They have .223 (USA made) FMJ and soft points.
With each purchase they throw in a free metal ammo box.
Starting prices are $54.99 for 250 rds of FMJ and $59.99 for 250 of soft points. Both are 55 grain.
You can buy a case of 250, 500, 750, or 1000.
If you're wondering, Cabelas has been around for many years and won't take you for a ride...if you know what I mean.
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Old November 3, 1999, 11:44 PM   #6
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Midway has some good prices on .223: Remington UMC 55 gr - $99.99 per 500
Winchester 55 gr FMJ - $209.99 per 1000

And, as always, they pay the postage. I ordered 1000 of the Win when it was on sale for $199 about a month ago and had it in 7 days.
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Old November 4, 1999, 07:34 AM   #7
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Shotgun News has advertisers that sell bulk PMC for $179. Federal and Winchester bulk is within $20 bucks or so of that in SGN. An excellent source of ammo is HawksView Custom Ammo out of Iowa. Buy 1000 rounds of their 55 grain ammo for $169 and they pay shipping. They also make match grade ammo to your specification that is less than Black Hills and is incredibly accurate.
I use Hawks and their 69 grain Sierra moly match loads can keep it under a dime at 200 yards from a benchrest.

As for other ammo, PMC, Winchester, Federal, and UMC are pretty much close in the accuracy department - average - MUCH less accurate than Hawks. PMC tends to be a bit dirtier than the others and has a lot more muzzle flash. The Russian steelcase crap is just that. Colt specifically states that shooting steel cased ammo will cause excessive wear on the ejector of an AR15.
I can relate a story from a friend who shot "noncorrosive" Russian 7.62x39 in his AK. We took his rifle to the range and fired about 200 rounds of the russian crap. Lots of misfires and inconsistencies velocity and accuracy wise. We packed up and went home. He waited until the next day to clean his AK and it was one rusty mess. Granted this was a different caliber and was a few years ago but it soured me on the russian stuff.

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Old November 4, 1999, 08:45 PM   #8
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Best Buy out there - Hawks View (gotta quit tellin folks... He's gettin busy!)

Accurate, clean, fair price. I think you could find cheeper, but I got tired of dealing with the consequences of CHEEP ammo in my *Multi**Thousand**Dollar AR15.

Best of all - Should I tell em SlickP? - Okay, I will... Mr. Davis is/was a competitor and can really crank out some tack driver loads. I also use the 69gr BTHP Moly loads. Haven't practice as much... But I can go sub US Quarter all day long with this ammo.

Here is the tip.... Mr Davis has a wealth of knowledge that he is willing to share! Received advice about match triggers, barrels, barrel cleaning, is moly worth it... On and on... Never did get a bill for the info that saved me lots of time and money.

Try it. You will like it. If you don't like it, you can always yell at SlickPuppy! (grin)
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Old November 5, 1999, 07:56 AM   #9
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Where ya been dude? Patrick turned me on to Hawks and I am glad he did. Great ammo. If you can't shoot Hawks well blame it on Patrick

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Old November 5, 1999, 09:30 AM   #10
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for cheap good stuff its hard to beat Eric the Ammoman

coles has some good deals too:

i bought 1000 rounds of hirtenberg .223 last January from Eric. Now i hear we won't ever get that back in the USA
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Old November 5, 1999, 01:34 PM   #11
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I got a Natchez 1-800-251-7839 catalog yesterday. They have Sellier & Bellot (made in the Czech Republic) .223 for $2.89 a box if you buy 10 or more. That works out to about $144.50 per 1000. One of the better prices I've seen in a while. It looks like brass in the photo but its not stated.
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Old November 7, 1999, 01:30 AM   #12
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I bought 1,000 rounds of the South African PMP for about $169 last spring. This is the new commercial ammo in the brown boxes with a gazelle on the front (not the military surplus "battle packs," which are different). It is 55 gr, brass cased, and boxer primed (reloadable).

I chronographed it along with several other brands and it was about in the middle of the velocity range. It seems very reliable to me - I don't think I've had any type of jam or misfire with it in my Bushmaster. I can't talk about accuracy because I haven't fired it from the bench much - mostly just plinking. The cases seemed to hold up a little better than the other brands I tried - headstamps didn't get flattened, cases dinged, and rims nicked from firing as much. And it comes packed in secure plastic holders inside of fairly compact boxes. These are small things, to be sure, but overall, I've got no complaints and plan to buy more of it if it remains competitively priced.
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Old November 7, 1999, 01:41 AM   #13
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you can find wolf ammo at guns shows. Last gun show i went to was 2 months ago got 2000 rounds of wolf 223 and 100 rounds of 7.62x39
shoots good,and non crosvie.
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Old November 7, 1999, 11:32 PM   #14
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Try Last time I checked, they had 500 rounds of South African .223 ammo for about $84.00.
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Old November 9, 1999, 02:12 AM   #15
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Try UltraMax remanufactured. My father has just about quit reloading .223 because he can't put together a better round for the money. He's getting sub 1" groups out of his Car 15 with their stuff in SP and FMJ. I don't know what their price is per 500, but I just saw a box of 50 for $13 at the local range, and I KNOW you can get them much cheaper than that, cheaper still in bulk.
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....ahh the good ole' days....
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Old September 16, 2008, 01:02 AM   #17
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i started going thru the sites posted and i was like "-CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED-!" the prices dont match! then i looked closely at the dates the posts were made.....too bad i didnt know how much ammo prices would rise or i would have ordered them in crates!
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Old September 16, 2008, 05:36 AM   #18
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inexpensive .223 ammunition

I stocked up on cheap .223 over a year ago, buying the low-end stuff when it was available. Cleaning my firearms after firing, I did not consider corrosive ammunition a big problem. Others may differ. About a year ago, I began to reload, becoming brass conscious along the way. Since then, I have been selling the steel-cased .223 and my other corrosive ammunition and adding the corresponding loading dies as needed. At gun shows nowadays, if I cannot reload it, I will not buy it regardless of cost. Consider reloading as a part of your firearms hobby; it pays great dividends once you get the ball rolling.

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Old September 16, 2008, 12:04 PM   #19
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Holy old thread batman...
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Old September 16, 2008, 12:55 PM   #20
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i started going thru the sites posted and i was like "-CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED-!" the prices dont match!
Me too. PMC's for $179/1000?! I was getting all fired up then I saw the 1999, and went "awww craaap...."
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Old September 16, 2008, 01:36 PM   #21
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$0.20 per round... I think 308 was going for $0.12-$0.16 per round at that time....

I'd be hard to reload 223 for that cheap today.


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Old September 16, 2008, 04:51 PM   #22
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The first 3 words are the clues here. "best" Lake City. "Cheap" Russky or Serbian. "BULK"- as much as you can afford. Why spend your money on steel case ammo that's worthless for reloading? Buy some brass cased Boxer primed ammo that you can reload or sell the brass to someone who does and get some money back.
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