Education Department buying 27 shotguns

PT-92 · June 8, 2011, 02:02 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ans...27-shotgu.html

C0untZer0 · June 8, 2011, 02:12 PM

The freaking Department of Education has a "Law Enforcement Arm" ??

Sounds like a job for BATFE !

But for God's sake whatever you do don't just call the police or the FBI...

Don H · June 8, 2011, 02:25 PM

The link cited is over a year old and, as I recall, there were at least a couple of threads on the subject. Most every federal department and agency has some armed employees.

Might also want to brush up on the rules regarding drive-by posting.

jglsprings · June 8, 2011, 02:43 PM

Well the OP link is a little stale but March isn't a year ago. - Correction the date is over a year ago. My error.

But to add a folow up, here is what they are doing with these new shotguns...

A little over the top?: SWAT team launch dawn raid on family home to collect unpaid student loans

If you read the article the "swat" team is from the Department of Education.

shootniron · June 8, 2011, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Well the OP link is a little stale but March isn't a year ago.

March of 2010 is.......

jglsprings · June 8, 2011, 03:35 PM

My mistake, I did misread the date.

zxcvbob · June 8, 2011, 03:57 PM

Quote:

But to add a folow up, here is what they are doing with these new shotguns...

A little over the top?: SWAT team launch dawn raid on family home to collect unpaid student loans

If you read the article the "swat" team is from the Department of Education.

Kicking down doors to the wrong house...

kozak6 · June 8, 2011, 06:46 PM

The Daily Mail isn't a terribly reputable source.

Here's a link with the warrant:
http://www.news10.net/news/article/1...-Stockton-home

It's probably related to student loan fraud, if I had to guess. Not that it makes it much better.

zxcvbob · June 8, 2011, 07:01 PM

Quote:

The Daily Mail isn't a terribly reputable source.

Here's a link with the warrant:
http://www.news10.net/news/article/1...-Stockton-home

It's probably related to student loan fraud, if I had to guess. Not that it makes it much better.

They still had the wrong house. (right address on the warrant, but the person they wanted didn't live there) You'd think they'd at least notice that they were looking for a woman and they arrested a man...

younggunfreak · June 8, 2011, 07:36 PM

Hell if they want guns let have'm

Gehrhard · June 8, 2011, 07:38 PM

Yes, the damned Education Department has an Inspector General and a SWAT Team!!! Crazy.

Authorities say now it was NOT for student loans. Still kept the father in a car for six hours. Their authority extends to fraud and embezzlement. Need their own SWAT Team for that...

Insane.

Like the New York City Sanitation Police Dept. Armed garbage men -- not kidding!

TheKlawMan · June 8, 2011, 09:40 PM

This is drive by journalism. Every federal department has an attorney general (I should have said "inspector general". If you read the articles, this wasn't in connection with repaying a student loan but for fraud or embezzlement. I don't know what kind of journalism this was, but where does it say that anyone even contacted the Department of Education to ask why the police were there and for an explanation of why the husband was detained in a car?

JustThisGuy · June 9, 2011, 02:14 AM

I'm just getting too old for this.

Maybe its old-age delusion, but I remember growing up in a country where everyone respected the law and the law respected everyone.

Shed a tear for our country.

Gehrhard · June 9, 2011, 11:40 AM

Governments are in breach of the social contract when making a profit or any unconstitutional act is core to their existance (agencies must be self funding), harassment and threats the norm, and agency SWAT Team raids the default solution for white-collar crimes. Every officer and agent involved in the crimes of a "mistake" (like mistaken identity and false imprisonment, kidnapping, assault, battery, endangering minors, murder...) should spend a minimum of the time the crime they were after someone for would have been imprisoned -- THEN the rest, consecutively. Bet the Rambo crap stops fast...

Cry for the citizens when they are disarmed and HAVE to take whatever is done to them if the authorities become more tyrannical.

markj · June 9, 2011, 02:32 PM

Why only 27? They need hundreds of these..

TheKlawMan · June 9, 2011, 04:12 PM

Gerhard. Call it white collar crime, but the way I see it if an officer is killed serving a warrant on a white collar criminal, they are just as dead as if it was an arrest warrant for armed robbery. For instance, take the case of the two West Memphis patrolman shot down during a routine traffic stop with an AK47. I think the charge was someting like driving without a license and no current vehicle registration.

Moreover, how many of the other persons apparently involved with this particular education loan fraud scam had violent histories?

ripnbst · June 9, 2011, 04:33 PM

Beware, the days when we will have to defend our rights with the threat of deadly force seems not far off.

This was posted in another forum I frequent and the victims side of the story is they were after his ESTRANGED wife who no longer even lived at the house. Yet the man was sat in cuffs in his front yard in front of neighbors in his underwear for a while prior to being placed in a squad car for hours on end while his house was searched.

If any one of these clowns would have done their homework and sat on the house for 48 hrs prior to the raid they probably would have been able to determine for themselves that the woman doesn't even live there and they could have saved themselves the public black eye.

Mainah · June 9, 2011, 04:46 PM

We don't know anything about this story, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Could be that someone who was delinquent on their loans reacted by making some kind of threat. They could of been using federal financial aid as a means of funding any number of things including drug dealing (it happens).

If the Department of Education is as effective with law enforcement as they've been with education then I wouldn't worry too much.

Gehrhard · June 9, 2011, 06:23 PM

Really? How about getting RID of the Dept. of Education that Carter FORMED!? How about they refer a law enforcement issue to real LAW ENFORCEMENT, not their ever-growing fifedom keystone cops? The guy who was tormented in front of his kids and neighbors should be filing the most severe Federal charges and sending bad, stupid, violent rent-a-cops and administrators to JAIL. Instead, he just asked for an apology and a new front door.

Oh, and yes, every car stop should involve shoot-first-serve-ticket-later SWAT Teams too. What're you talking about!?!? If you don't like real criminals, send them to jail too. This used to be a simple approach. Now law-abiding citizens wonder who's more likely to wrong or even harm them...

langenc · June 10, 2011, 10:12 AM

Maybe they could educate STUDENTS about guns/gun safety!! yea yea.

Rugerismisticness · June 11, 2011, 08:30 AM

I'll second the above...

Dave McC · June 13, 2011, 09:28 AM

Thread veer into politics.

Closed....

June 8, 2011, 02:02 PM	#1
PT-92 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2007 Location: "Undisclosed Bunker" Posts: 1,464	Education Department buying 27 shotguns http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ans...27-shotgu.html

June 8, 2011, 02:12 PM	#2
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	AAAAAArrrrrrrrrgh ! The freaking Department of Education has a "Law Enforcement Arm" ?? Sounds like a job for BATFE ! But for God's sake whatever you do don't just call the police or the FBI...

June 8, 2011, 02:25 PM	#3
Don H Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2000 Location: SLC,Utah Posts: 2,704	The link cited is over a year old and, as I recall, there were at least a couple of threads on the subject. Most every federal department and agency has some armed employees. Might also want to brush up on the rules regarding drive-by posting. __________________ Don http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/forum/

June 8, 2011, 02:43 PM	#4
jglsprings Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2009 Posts: 1,827	Well the OP link is a little stale but March isn't a year ago. - Correction the date is over a year ago. My error. But to add a folow up, here is what they are doing with these new shotguns... A little over the top?: SWAT team launch dawn raid on family home to collect unpaid student loans If you read the article the "swat" team is from the Department of Education. __________________ Let's eat Grandma. Let's eat, Grandma. Commas save lives... Last edited by jglsprings; June 8, 2011 at 03:36 PM.

June 8, 2011, 03:35 PM	#6
jglsprings Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2009 Posts: 1,827	My mistake, I did misread the date. __________________ Let's eat Grandma. Let's eat, Grandma. Commas save lives...

June 8, 2011, 06:46 PM	#8
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	The Daily Mail isn't a terribly reputable source. Here's a link with the warrant: http://www.news10.net/news/article/1...-Stockton-home It's probably related to student loan fraud, if I had to guess. Not that it makes it much better.

June 8, 2011, 07:36 PM	#10
younggunfreak Member Join Date: June 27, 2010 Location: in the northen woods of MN Posts: 84	Hell if they want guns let have'm

June 8, 2011, 07:38 PM	#11
Gehrhard Junior member Join Date: July 15, 2009 Location: East of the Missississippippi Posts: 675	Yes, the damned Education Department has an Inspector General and a SWAT Team!!! Crazy. Authorities say now it was NOT for student loans. Still kept the father in a car for six hours. Their authority extends to fraud and embezzlement. Need their own SWAT Team for that... Insane. Like the New York City Sanitation Police Dept. Armed garbage men -- not kidding!

June 8, 2011, 09:40 PM	#12
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	This is drive by journalism. Every federal department has an attorney general (I should have said "inspector general". If you read the articles, this wasn't in connection with repaying a student loan but for fraud or embezzlement. I don't know what kind of journalism this was, but where does it say that anyone even contacted the Department of Education to ask why the police were there and for an explanation of why the husband was detained in a car? Last edited by TheKlawMan; June 9, 2011 at 02:19 AM.

June 9, 2011, 02:14 AM	#13
JustThisGuy Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2010 Posts: 311	I'm just getting too old for this. Maybe its old-age delusion, but I remember growing up in a country where everyone respected the law and the law respected everyone. Shed a tear for our country. __________________ JustThisGuy Mediocrity dominates over excellence in all things... except excellence.

June 9, 2011, 11:40 AM	#14
Gehrhard Junior member Join Date: July 15, 2009 Location: East of the Missississippippi Posts: 675	Governments are in breach of the social contract when making a profit or any unconstitutional act is core to their existance (agencies must be self funding), harassment and threats the norm, and agency SWAT Team raids the default solution for white-collar crimes. Every officer and agent involved in the crimes of a "mistake" (like mistaken identity and false imprisonment, kidnapping, assault, battery, endangering minors, murder...) should spend a minimum of the time the crime they were after someone for would have been imprisoned -- THEN the rest, consecutively. Bet the Rambo crap stops fast... Cry for the citizens when they are disarmed and HAVE to take whatever is done to them if the authorities become more tyrannical.

June 9, 2011, 02:32 PM	#15
markj Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2005 Location: Crescent Iowa Posts: 2,971	Why only 27? They need hundreds of these..

June 9, 2011, 04:12 PM	#16
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	Gerhard. Call it white collar crime, but the way I see it if an officer is killed serving a warrant on a white collar criminal, they are just as dead as if it was an arrest warrant for armed robbery. For instance, take the case of the two West Memphis patrolman shot down during a routine traffic stop with an AK47. I think the charge was someting like driving without a license and no current vehicle registration. Moreover, how many of the other persons apparently involved with this particular education loan fraud scam had violent histories?

June 9, 2011, 04:33 PM	#17
ripnbst Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2010 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 1,552	Beware, the days when we will have to defend our rights with the threat of deadly force seems not far off. This was posted in another forum I frequent and the victims side of the story is they were after his ESTRANGED wife who no longer even lived at the house. Yet the man was sat in cuffs in his front yard in front of neighbors in his underwear for a while prior to being placed in a squad car for hours on end while his house was searched. If any one of these clowns would have done their homework and sat on the house for 48 hrs prior to the raid they probably would have been able to determine for themselves that the woman doesn't even live there and they could have saved themselves the public black eye.

June 9, 2011, 04:46 PM	#18
Mainah Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2007 Posts: 1,119	We don't know anything about this story, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Could be that someone who was delinquent on their loans reacted by making some kind of threat. They could of been using federal financial aid as a means of funding any number of things including drug dealing (it happens). If the Department of Education is as effective with law enforcement as they've been with education then I wouldn't worry too much.

June 9, 2011, 06:23 PM	#19
Gehrhard Junior member Join Date: July 15, 2009 Location: East of the Missississippippi Posts: 675	Really? How about getting RID of the Dept. of Education that Carter FORMED!? How about they refer a law enforcement issue to real LAW ENFORCEMENT, not their ever-growing fifedom keystone cops? The guy who was tormented in front of his kids and neighbors should be filing the most severe Federal charges and sending bad, stupid, violent rent-a-cops and administrators to JAIL. Instead, he just asked for an apology and a new front door. Oh, and yes, every car stop should involve shoot-first-serve-ticket-later SWAT Teams too. What're you talking about!?!? If you don't like real criminals, send them to jail too. This used to be a simple approach. Now law-abiding citizens wonder who's more likely to wrong or even harm them...

June 10, 2011, 10:12 AM	#20
langenc Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2007 Location: Montmorency Co, MI Posts: 1,551	Maybe they could educate STUDENTS about guns/gun safety!! yea yea.

June 11, 2011, 08:30 AM	#21
Rugerismisticness Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2010 Posts: 909	I'll second the above...

June 13, 2011, 09:28 AM	#22
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Thread veer into politics. Closed....