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October 12, 2019, 05:48 PM | #1 |
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weak side two handed pistol grip
I've been told that switching pistol grips to a 2 handed weak side grip when clearing an appropriate corner is still taught in police academy as a standard practice.
Is this true? As a civilian, I've so far only seen the weak hand pistol mentioned as a last resort when the strong hand/arm has been injured. Therefore, 1 handed. Perhaps it's because civilians aren't typically taught solo room clearing. I've also not seen any police footage where an officer had time to switch hands purposefully with a pistol. Has anyone taken a class or received training that provided the current general consensus? My uneducated inclination is that keeping the dominant 2 handed grip is preferable to avoid dropping the pistol, and carefully slicing the pie for corners paying attention to body position seems like enough. I suppose one could argue that if it makes sense for a rifle, it makes sense for a pistol... |
October 13, 2019, 06:09 AM | #2 |
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Why are you clearing the room? Are you taking your time and being stealthy, or is this a more dynamic scenario such as an active shooter? I've trained with people of varying skill levels and learned from good instructors who teach both methods. My takeaway is that both methods have merit and that things are rarely black and white. Personally, I like to switch sides with either rifle or pistol.
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October 13, 2019, 11:29 AM | #3 |
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You really dont gain anything by switching with a pistol. With a rifle you can decrease you lead shoulder exposure around corners, but not so with a pistol.
The difference is where the gun sits vs your centerline. Just not much gain with a pistol. Not enough to justify the loss in shooting ability over your dominant hand. No matter how much you train, you will never be AS GOOD with your non-dominant hand. |
October 14, 2019, 09:37 AM | #4 |
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"You really dont gain anything by switching with a pistol"
Not necessarily so. In the C.A.R. technique this hand-switching is very helpful in this circumstance, and if in a vehicle. |
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October 15, 2019, 08:31 AM | #6 |
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In C.A.R. I don't like the High position with the weapon on my chest, also...and I agree the elbow can be swept. However the High-Ready and the Extended positions can be the solution to your concerns: they are ambidextrous, and aren't pointing at any of YOUR flesh. I know there are fans and pans about C.A.R., but if properly taught and applied I've found no other system that allows such controlled, rapid, and "in close" CQ shooting. And is ambi. YMMV
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October 15, 2019, 05:28 PM | #8 |
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In my opinion you certainly need to be familiar with the technique and be very competent in its use. That said, I would only use it with a pistol in some very limited circumstances. I don't consider it worth the risks of fumbling and bumbling during a high stress event or the loss of natural proficiency of using a dominant hand. That's just my take on it
On room clearing in general, I think its a really bad idea (solo) unless you simply MUST do it and have no other reasonable choice. I don't have any kids in the house and I am not going looking for potential badguy who I suspect are in my house. They can come to me
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October 16, 2019, 09:25 AM | #9 |
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https://youtu.be/uIkm8hQTgvI
Here is a vid by John Lovell. About 1/2 way thru, he demos both methods. You decide if it gives you anything. |
October 16, 2019, 01:47 PM | #10 |
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I've seen his video. I don't think he demos it very well. You can lead more with your shoulder when pieing a door/corner than he's showing. That said, yes most people will always shoot better strong hand. You can also roll your strong hand slightly (I think he shows that in the video) to help compensate some. I'm not convinced there is one correct answer here.
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The switch can be done very rapidly with practice, but definitely needs to be practiced to avoid things like dropping the gun or getting fingers on the trigger unintentionally.
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October 17, 2019, 05:47 PM | #12 |
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Learned through bullseye shooting
I learned handgun shooting through bullseye shooting. As a result, I just became used to using one hand rather than two. Takes lots of practice to build up the appropriate muscles and muscle memory. I also did a bunch of PPC shooting when I was learning; also means that I'm a geezer. This meant almost one-hand shooting - weak as well as strong - from behind a barrier. As a result, changing hands does keep me far more protected than shooting two handed when looking around corners.
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If I am shooting a pistol left handed it is because my primary has been injured.
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