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Just picked up a Sig P238 Black Pearl this evening. I bought 100 rounds of Hornady Extreme Defense and will give them a try. I won't go through a bunch of scientific testing but I may run a few by the LabRadar just to see what they'll do in this short barrel. Fire danger is still too high to shoot steel so paper will have to do.
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August 16, 2018, 10:41 AM | #52 |
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New to the game are 65 grain ExtremeDefender and 56 grain ARX bullets as componets and loaded ammo. My computer-fu skills are limited. Perhaps someone else may post video links.TIA
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August 21, 2018, 07:04 PM | #53 |
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I believe this in part depends on the barrel length of the 380 acp pistol. The micro- and mini pistols with very short barrels will not provide the same ballistics as the 3 - inch + barrels of the Beretta 80 series, Browning BDA or some of the Bersa's.
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In a few days when I pick up my Sig 230 SL, I can chrono some loads out of its 3" barrel.
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So, I use an lcp II as my edc. Use a good holster and there is no greater than normal risk for negligent discharge. I split the difference on ammo choice and load Hornady critical defense alternating with fmj ball. Eats either equally well.
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Hollow tips.
Carrying fullies is socially irresponsible due to the overpen factor risks. Keep the fullies for the range, carry hollows for tac use. |
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"Socially irresponsible". Really?
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I’m not reporting from actual experience or observation but I'm thinkin Hornady .380 critical defense might just in all likelihood fully penetrate and exit a human skull at close range. Probably not much umph left after that though.
I have seen what a .22 magnum fired from a 4 or 5 inch revolver can do to a human skull and I can't help but imagine a .380 wouldn't be a "hole" lot different. |
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Front to back I'm pretty sure my skull isn't wider than 12 inches. I'm guessing after about eight inches I'd be hurtin.
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Well how about this, genius, FMJ .380 overpenetrates LOL!!! SEE KNOW I'M RIGHT TOO!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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FMJ's only in my .380's.
Here's my go-to argument: http://smith-wessonforum.com/ammo/98...ing-erich.html
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My gf has a Walther PK380, use Buffalo Bore +P (not real +P but higher pressure) JHP's. Never had a feed issue.
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Awhile back someone passed away from a bb gun incident. It broke through the front of his skull and went through his brain, no exit wound. He went down and that was it.
.380 from a Derringer is more than enough to break through skull and rib enough to reach brain, heart, or lungs. It doesn't have to blast all of your organs through your butthole into the next county leaving you an empty hollow husk to incapacitate or deter you from being a threat. If it is reliable and can reach those main organs it is effective.
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Guns in general are incredible force multipliers. The .380 offers significant penetrating potential. It's only "bad" or "ineffective" in virtue of comparison to some other modern defensive calibers. Especially considering the part I didn't quote, anyone who isn't familiar with "meat target" testing should check the video I posted earlier. It offers as much in entertainment as it does intuitive guidance on how projectiles perform. |
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Based on the testing that I've found, 380 acp does not overpenetrate as much as many people seem to think.
http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2...-terminal.html
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Wife tested several types of HP rounds in her 380 and settled on Hornady XTP. She gets good groupings and feels comfortable firing it. I'm not sure that it's all psychological but that's what she's gone with.
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In another video Paul was shooting Remington green&white box 88gr JHP from his Beretta 1934 and S&W Bodyguard. The 1934 has barrel length of about 3.5" (maybe closer to 3.4"), and the S&W is 2.75". Bullets fired from the Beretta had very good expansion in the soda jug and were stopped by the first layer of fleece. Those fired by the S&W had no expansion in the soda jug and were stopped around the 20th layer of fleece. I don't think there were any chrony test on those, but the higher velocities and expansion from the the 1934 had no over-penetration, while the slower non-expanding bullets had a lot of over-penetration. That part starts around 9:24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PQWzx0_MA |
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