Would you buy an LCP II in .32 ACP? - Page 3

gnystrom · June 15, 2018, 01:12 PM

I completely disagree with many here who believe the LCP is junk. I have both the LCP and the LCP II and both these guns are reliable and accurate. I shoot mine on a regular basis with both factory and my handloads. Practice with these little guns is required but once one develops the skills they may find one in their back pocket wallet holster far more often than they ever thought

Onward Allusion · June 15, 2018, 02:34 PM

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HighValleyRanch
Has anyone chronographed some loads out of their K32?
I'm interested to see how it compared to my results with my Seecamp.

Here's a link to the poor man's Seecamp and ballistics . . . It's actually quite extensive.

https://northamericanarms.com/ballistics/ball-32acp/

HighValleyRanch · June 15, 2018, 03:31 PM

Thanks for the link. Very informative.
Here's what I got for my seecamp one day in March:
Just chronographed a couple of loads today through the seecamp.
Gold dots were mild at 924 fps with 60 grain hollowpoints yielding 114 foot pounds ME.
But the Winchester FMJ 71 grains flat nose were just a wee bit hotter at 1028 and 995 for around 155 foot pounds ME. Probably what I should carry, and forget about expansion from the Speer gold dots.
NOTE: The current Winchester FMJ are flat nose not round nose FMJ. I believe that's why they will work with the Seecamp that requires a smaller OAL.

Rangerrich99 · June 15, 2018, 04:09 PM

I voted "no."

Skipping the sub-par ballistics of the .32 auto, the LCP I or II IMO should not be a primary carry weapon. For most people, the LCP is too small to get a good grip on to shoot quickly and accurately, especially one-handed. It's sights are too small to acquire quickly under stress. It's magwell is too tiny to facilitate quick reloads if necessary. I carry mine in a Nemesis holster, and even then it's danged slow to draw and get into action. The LCP I trigger can be mastered to shoot acceptable groups, but try it one-handed and on the move; my results aren't acceptable for my standards. Chambering the thing in .32 auto probably isn't going to help much.

In short, the LCP in any caliber is actually just a back-up gun, realistically limited to contact distances, say 0-5 yards. Even then, I'm probably going to end up throwing the thing at the attacker when its empty and going for my knife.

JERRYS. · June 15, 2018, 07:21 PM

HighValleyRanch, here ya go. http://www.geocities.ws/goldenloki2/gel.html

kenny53 · June 16, 2018, 05:01 PM

http://www.ballistics101.com/380_acp.phphttp

www.ballistics101.com/32_acp.php

Hope these links work.

kenny53 · June 16, 2018, 05:02 PM

http://www.ballistics101.com/380_acp.php

HighValleyRanch · June 16, 2018, 05:29 PM

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http://www.ballistics101.com/380_acp.php

Meaningless unless you have an idea of what gun is being used for the tests and barrel length?

MTT TL · June 16, 2018, 05:42 PM

agreed:

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/380auto.html

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/32auto.html

So out of a 3" barrel the 380 averages 85% more energy at the muzzle in common loadings.

HighValleyRanch · June 16, 2018, 06:51 PM

^^^^^
and this is why one needs to chrongraph their own particular guns.
I got 980 fps plus with the 71 grain winchester from my seecamp as oppose to their 782.
But it's interesting that when I chrongraphed the Buffalobore loads, they were almost identical to what was stated on the website.
I'm at 2500 feet elevation, so not sure if that makes any difference in the FPS.

I like Buffalobore website because they use real guns to test and give you the stats from the various guns. You can see from their website that a 3" barrel can greatly vary from firearm to firearm. Ballistics by the inch doesn't say what guns they are using. I consider their information not as the "end all", but just another general comparison from which to estimate.

Model12Win · June 16, 2018, 07:03 PM

Mine "done busted" so probably not.

Carl the Floor Walker · June 17, 2018, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by seeker_two

I'd buy one. When the Beretta Pico was introduced at the 2013 NRA Convention, Beretta said it would come in .32 ACP & .380 ACP. I really wanted one in .32, but it never happened. I still want a .32 in the .380 frame.

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The Pico was advertised to come out in 32 cal. However, that has not happened. Many of the Pico owners, myself included feel it will not happen. Why? Because the pistol is one of the most mild mannered Pocket guns made. A gun that is easy to shoot plus P or hot ammo, and a gun that is easy to shoot all day if you wanted.
To shoot 32.cal in this gun would not be much of a advantage. The Stainless steel build handles the pressures of the 380 extremely well and maybe not necessary for the 32cal. Other than the fact that the gun would last a lifetime.

The Ruger on the other hand would do well to shoot the 32. In fact the aluminum chassis, the high recoil and extreme snap, the 32. would actually be the right choice for the gun. The gun would last longer, be more enjoyable to shoot.
As far as 32. here is a great review of the caliber by Pocket Guns and Gear, Mouse gun Addict.

.32 ACP Terminal Tests

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/p/ammo-tests.html

**Mike Irwin** · June 18, 2018, 09:21 AM

Have to say no, probably not.

Not because I don't like the .32s... I actually LOVE the .32s, both semis and revolvers, I'm just not at all crazy about how the LCP fits my hand.

Chamber an LC 9/380 size pistol, which has a larger grip length, in .32 and I'd likely be all over it.

HighValleyRanch · June 18, 2018, 12:29 PM

I just found an old video of mine testing my brother's LCP at the range.
We were chronographing some 90 grain jhp Buffalo Bore .380 +P out of his LCP.
We got 1041, 1050, 1040 fps equalling 220 foot pounds ME.
Nice and consistent, recoil was fine, no malfunctions.

Carl the Floor Walker · June 18, 2018, 01:00 PM

I would NOT in any way recommend anyone to shoot Plus P or any high pressure ammo out of a Ruger LCP. They are not built to do so.

Here is a very interesting review of different 32.cal defense loads. Be sure and Check out the Fiocchi. The test are done by Pocket guns and Gear/mouse gun addict which is one of my favorites.
And by the way, one of the Guns used to test was the KELTEC P32

The test may surprise you.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2...2-auto-60.html

lee n. field · June 18, 2018, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl the Floor Walker

I would NOT in any way recommend anyone to shoot Plus P or any high pressure ammo out of a Ruger LCP. They are not built to do so.

Mighty thin chamber wall.

seeker_two · June 19, 2018, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Irwin

Have to say no, probably not.

Not because I don't like the .32s... I actually LOVE the .32s, both semis and revolvers, I'm just not at all crazy about how the LCP fits my hand.

Chamber an LC 9/380 size pistol, which has a larger grip length, in .32 and I'd likely be all over it.

I agree. That would be a great successor to the PPK.

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HighValleyRanch · June 19, 2018, 01:48 PM

I missed getting a nice PP in .32. It was in the consignment case, and the price was good, but I hesitated a day or two too long and it was gone when I reconsidered. Would have been a sweet shooter. I still miss my .380 PPK I traded for a glock 26. YUK, what a tragic mistake.
I would still have that PPK, but the glock is looong gone.
Friend of mine had the PPK in .32 brought back from the war.

peacefulgary · June 19, 2018, 03:47 PM

Sure, I would maybe buy one in .32.

After all, variety is the spice of life.
And it would probably increase the magazine capacity by 1.

Ibmikey · June 20, 2018, 12:51 AM

No nor in any other caliber as I believe there are better offerings for CC than this particular Ruger example.

Kirosha · June 21, 2018, 07:33 AM

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I don't want to rely on .22 rimfire because several times out of 100 shots, I'll get some failure that's because of rimfire ammo.

Thousands of rounds through a SR22 with no failure. I'm unsure if your experience is extraordinary or if mine is, but...

I'm of the camp that anything is better than nothing, but I try to consider ease of finding ammunition in my area as well as price. The combination makes me say, "No thanks." I feel the Five-Seven is the only pistol I'd deal with buying rare, expensive ammo for.

9mm · June 21, 2018, 12:50 PM

No just no, 380 has pretty much replaced the 32 in the US. That's why we have a surge of small 380's and not 32, the only 32's I can think of are; the old Taurus made early 2000's, beretta tomcat?

Seems to be a lot of chatter on the net for a Ruger lcp in 22lr! I would buy one in a heart beat.

Bill DeShivs · June 21, 2018, 02:12 PM

The Keltec P32 is still made and popular.

TruthTellers · June 21, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirosha

Thousands of rounds through a SR22 with no failure. I'm unsure if your experience is extraordinary or if mine is, but...

I'm of the camp that anything is better than nothing, but I try to consider ease of finding ammunition in my area as well as price. The combination makes me say, "No thanks." I feel the Five-Seven is the only pistol I'd deal with buying rare, expensive ammo for.

Hundreds of rounds in my SR22, several failures each range trip.

.22 LR, unless it's pricey CCI, is not reliable. In .32 centerfire I have yet to have a failure.

Kirosha · June 22, 2018, 12:30 AM

Which one of us is the extraordinary Truth? Or a bit of both of us? I've always thought .22lr was a very reliable round if you bought decent ammo. Everyone has a dud round per "n" but I've only had duds in rifles, never in the pistol...yet.

So I do know that is extraordinary but a dud per thousand isn't unreliable in my book.

The only thing I've never had a failure in is 12 ga, and I'm sure it'll happen eventually.

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June 15, 2018, 03:31 PM	#53
HighValleyRanch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 4,065	Thanks for the link. Very informative. Here's what I got for my seecamp one day in March: Just chronographed a couple of loads today through the seecamp. Gold dots were mild at 924 fps with 60 grain hollowpoints yielding 114 foot pounds ME. But the Winchester FMJ 71 grains flat nose were just a wee bit hotter at 1028 and 995 for around 155 foot pounds ME. Probably what I should carry, and forget about expansion from the Speer gold dots. NOTE: The current Winchester FMJ are flat nose not round nose FMJ. I believe that's why they will work with the Seecamp that requires a smaller OAL. __________________ From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"

June 16, 2018, 05:42 PM	#59
MTT TL Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Quadling Country Posts: 2,780	agreed: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/380auto.html http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/32auto.html So out of a 3" barrel the 380 averages 85% more energy at the muzzle in common loadings. __________________ Thus a man should endeavor to reach this high place of courage with all his heart, and, so trying, never be backward in war. Last edited by MTT TL; June 16, 2018 at 07:00 PM.

June 16, 2018, 06:51 PM	#60
HighValleyRanch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 4,065	^^^^^ and this is why one needs to chrongraph their own particular guns. I got 980 fps plus with the 71 grain winchester from my seecamp as oppose to their 782. But it's interesting that when I chrongraphed the Buffalobore loads, they were almost identical to what was stated on the website. I'm at 2500 feet elevation, so not sure if that makes any difference in the FPS. I like Buffalobore website because they use real guns to test and give you the stats from the various guns. You can see from their website that a 3" barrel can greatly vary from firearm to firearm. Ballistics by the inch doesn't say what guns they are using. I consider their information not as the "end all", but just another general comparison from which to estimate. __________________ From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail" Last edited by HighValleyRanch; June 17, 2018 at 07:54 AM.

June 18, 2018, 09:21 AM	#63
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Have to say no, probably not. Not because I don't like the .32s... I actually LOVE the .32s, both semis and revolvers, I'm just not at all crazy about how the LCP fits my hand. Chamber an LC 9/380 size pistol, which has a larger grip length, in .32 and I'd likely be all over it. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 15, 2018, 01:12 PM	#51
gnystrom Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2006 Posts: 308	I completely disagree with many here who believe the LCP is junk. I have both the LCP and the LCP II and both these guns are reliable and accurate. I shoot mine on a regular basis with both factory and my handloads. Practice with these little guns is required but once one develops the skills they may find one in their back pocket wallet holster far more often than they ever thought

June 15, 2018, 04:09 PM	#54
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	I voted "no." Skipping the sub-par ballistics of the .32 auto, the LCP I or II IMO should not be a primary carry weapon. For most people, the LCP is too small to get a good grip on to shoot quickly and accurately, especially one-handed. It's sights are too small to acquire quickly under stress. It's magwell is too tiny to facilitate quick reloads if necessary. I carry mine in a Nemesis holster, and even then it's danged slow to draw and get into action. The LCP I trigger can be mastered to shoot acceptable groups, but try it one-handed and on the move; my results aren't acceptable for my standards. Chambering the thing in .32 auto probably isn't going to help much. In short, the LCP in any caliber is actually just a back-up gun, realistically limited to contact distances, say 0-5 yards. Even then, I'm probably going to end up throwing the thing at the attacker when its empty and going for my knife.

June 15, 2018, 07:21 PM	#55
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	HighValleyRanch, here ya go. http://www.geocities.ws/goldenloki2/gel.html

June 16, 2018, 05:01 PM	#56
kenny53 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2015 Location: My back yard Posts: 971	http://www.ballistics101.com/380_acp.phphttp www.ballistics101.com/32_acp.php Hope these links work.

June 16, 2018, 05:02 PM	#57
kenny53 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2015 Location: My back yard Posts: 971	http://www.ballistics101.com/380_acp.php

June 16, 2018, 07:03 PM	#61
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Mine "done busted" so probably not.

June 18, 2018, 12:29 PM	#64
HighValleyRanch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 4,065	I just found an old video of mine testing my brother's LCP at the range. We were chronographing some 90 grain jhp Buffalo Bore .380 +P out of his LCP. We got 1041, 1050, 1040 fps equalling 220 foot pounds ME. Nice and consistent, recoil was fine, no malfunctions. __________________ From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"

June 18, 2018, 01:00 PM	#65
Carl the Floor Walker member Join Date: June 3, 2017 Location: South Posts: 1,422	I would NOT in any way recommend anyone to shoot Plus P or any high pressure ammo out of a Ruger LCP. They are not built to do so. Here is a very interesting review of different 32.cal defense loads. Be sure and Check out the Fiocchi. The test are done by Pocket guns and Gear/mouse gun addict which is one of my favorites. And by the way, one of the Guns used to test was the KELTEC P32 The test may surprise you. http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2...2-auto-60.html

June 19, 2018, 01:48 PM	#68
HighValleyRanch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 4,065	I missed getting a nice PP in .32. It was in the consignment case, and the price was good, but I hesitated a day or two too long and it was gone when I reconsidered. Would have been a sweet shooter. I still miss my .380 PPK I traded for a glock 26. YUK, what a tragic mistake. I would still have that PPK, but the glock is looong gone. Friend of mine had the PPK in .32 brought back from the war. __________________ From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"

June 19, 2018, 03:47 PM	#69
peacefulgary Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2011 Location: USA Posts: 714	Sure, I would maybe buy one in .32. After all, variety is the spice of life. And it would probably increase the magazine capacity by 1. Last edited by peacefulgary; June 19, 2018 at 03:53 PM.

June 20, 2018, 12:51 AM	#70
Ibmikey Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2013 Location: Now relocated to Texas Posts: 2,943	No nor in any other caliber as I believe there are better offerings for CC than this particular Ruger example.

June 21, 2018, 12:50 PM	#72
9mm Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2011 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 2,834	No just no, 380 has pretty much replaced the 32 in the US. That's why we have a surge of small 380's and not 32, the only 32's I can think of are; the old Taurus made early 2000's, beretta tomcat? Seems to be a lot of chatter on the net for a Ruger lcp in 22lr! I would buy one in a heart beat.

June 21, 2018, 02:12 PM	#73
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,980	The Keltec P32 is still made and popular. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

June 22, 2018, 12:30 AM	#75
Kirosha Member Join Date: June 20, 2018 Location: South Alabama Posts: 87	Which one of us is the extraordinary Truth? Or a bit of both of us? I've always thought .22lr was a very reliable round if you bought decent ammo. Everyone has a dud round per "n" but I've only had duds in rifles, never in the pistol...yet. So I do know that is extraordinary but a dud per thousand isn't unreliable in my book. The only thing I've never had a failure in is 12 ga, and I'm sure it'll happen eventually.

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