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Old September 1, 2017, 07:13 PM   #1
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Need some help

Ok I was at a new gun store in the next town over and had the guy working there check the price of a DPMS AR10 for me. It was 780 with a 10 round magazine my first question is if anyone has any experience with the DPMS AR10 is it worth it? Also it has a 16 ince barrel so in 308 is one that Short lossin to much power to be worth it? It would mostly be for deer bear and elk hunting but also if the day comes that it needs for worse work I want to have it ready for that
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Old September 1, 2017, 08:11 PM   #2
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It will likely be over gassed like most AR10's. I've got a Bushmaster AR10 with 16" barrel. Its a punisher and not my favorite AR shoot. An adjustable gas block and muzzle break would tame it. But you'll still have a heavy rifle for carrying in the field. I dumped my AR10 for a 6.8. It works on bear, deer and hogs out to 300 yards. But I'm not sure about elk since I've never hunted them. If you need a .308, I'd go with a light weight bolt rifle like a Ruger Scout of something similar. The AR10 would work but it comes with some negatives.
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Old September 1, 2017, 09:10 PM   #3
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PSA has been running a special on 18 in. .308 uppers and matching lowers, all for under $500. You might want to check there before deciding.
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Old September 1, 2017, 10:48 PM   #4
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Ok what PSA don't believe I know that one
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Old September 1, 2017, 10:52 PM   #5
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Just wondering with the 6.8 is that pretty close to the 270 if so it would be the smallest one we are able to use for bear and elk which a 308 scout might make a better rifle for pure Hunting but I was thinking a hunting rifle that could do in a bad spot so maybe I should look at the 6.8 more
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Old September 2, 2017, 08:08 AM   #6
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PSA = Palmetto State Armory.

Be advised .. PSA shipping can be quite slow.. with little to no e-mails concerning status... BUT it will come.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-10.html

And the PSA PA10 GenII ( no milspec for AR10 type rifles so be specific with what ya got ) are GTG, IMHO... a little tinkering and polishing will give you a "decent AR10".

Accuracy is what you'd expect for a "inexpensive" , get into the "AR10" arena.

I have a lengthy, on going thread concerning the PA10 GenII over here...

https://forum.308ar.com/topic/15124-...-observations/


Again IMHO, a feel like the PSA .308 is a bargain.... just don't expect match grade accuracy out of the box.
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Old September 2, 2017, 08:54 AM   #7
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Just wondering with the 6.8 is that pretty close to the 270 if so it would be the smallest one we are able to use for bear and elk which a 308 scout might make a better rifle for pure Hunting but I was thinking a hunting rifle that could do in a bad spot so maybe I should look at the 6.8 more

6.8 is a .277 bullet. The 6.8 uses bullets in the 85-120 gr range. The 120 gr SST will drop most animals within 300 yards. I've read where the 6.8 has around 80% of the knock down power of a .308. And limited recoil too. People have taken Rams with that bullet at 400 yards.

If you reload, you could consider the 270AR or 7mm Valkyrie. The are AR15 wildcat cartridges that hold around 42 grs of power and good pass 500 yards. With the 270AR you can use the 130 and 140 gr bullets in .277.

You could always build a lightweight AR10 like a Gen II. But you'll still have the recoil with it.

Reading up on elk hunting, you problem need a larger cartridge than 6.8. I've been thinking about changing my AR10 to a 6.5 Creedmoor. Less recoil and flatter shooting compared to .308. The BC past 500 yards beats the .308 too.

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Old September 2, 2017, 10:27 AM   #8
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Also it has a 16 ince [sic] barrel so in 308 is one that Short [sic] lossin [sic] to [sic] much power to be worth it?
Do you reload or just shoot factory?

If you you reload, you can select relatively "faster" powders to optimize the velocity from a 16 inch barrel.

The 7.62x51 (308 Winchester) cartridge was designed to be shot from a rifle, not a carbine. The M-14 used a 22 inch barrel and the original Armalite AR-10 used a 20.8 inch barrel and most commercial loadings will likely be loaded to provide their best performance out of barrels of that length. So, yes, with a 16 or 18 inch barrel you are going to be losing some velocity. How much of a loss is difficult to say because we don't know what powder the particular 308 round you are going to buy was loaded with.

Whether that loss is "too much" is a decision only you can make.
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Old September 2, 2017, 08:10 PM   #9
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Cool thanks guys I for sure check out the psa I am not looking for a sniper grade rifle because 200-250 yards would be a really long shot just looking for something that would do for bear or elk at that range. And as far as having a rifle hande if it looks like trouble coming I just like the 308 because of the story's my dad told about the M14 he learned in boot camp. So maybe the 6.8 could do both
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Old September 3, 2017, 08:46 AM   #10
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PSA = Palmetto State Armory.

Be advised .. PSA shipping can be quite slow.. with little to no e-mails concerning status... BUT it will come.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-10.html

And the PSA PA10 GenII ( no milspec for AR10 type rifles so be specific with what ya got ) are GTG, IMHO... a little tinkering and polishing will give you a "decent AR10".

Accuracy is what you'd expect for a "inexpensive" , get into the "AR10" arena.

I have a lengthy, on going thread concerning the PA10 GenII over here...

https://forum.308ar.com/topic/15124-...-observations/


Again IMHO, a feel like the PSA .308 is a bargain.... just don't expect match grade accuracy out of the box.
Dang! I read that entire thread just to see how the paracord trigger job worked and you never posted it.

Did I miss it somewhere?
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Old September 3, 2017, 12:13 PM   #11
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"...loss in too much power..." Loss of velocity, not power. What'd you get out of a 16" .308 is a great deal of muzzle flash and blast.
For 200-250 yards it'd do, but it wouldn't be a lot of fun for the guy shooting next to you on a range. A deer, bear or elk won't know or care what kills 'em.
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Old September 3, 2017, 11:01 PM   #12
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You might consider a Browning BAR chambered in .308 Winchester for that kind of hunting with a semi-auto.
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Old September 4, 2017, 06:28 AM   #13
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Cool I take a look at it
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Old September 4, 2017, 11:55 AM   #14
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I have a Dpms lr- 308. Has the round, metal free-float hand guard and Diamond flip up sights. All I have done to it so far is put a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot and bipod on it. I have not shot it extensively but love it so far. I traded a Ptr 91 GI($900)with a US Arms claw mount ($185 on EBay) and 10 mags for just the Dpms and 1 mag. I feel like I got a great deal because I really disliked the Ptr for several reasons and the Dpms is of very good quality. I plan on putting a scope on it and seeing what it will do at 100. I'm hoping and expecting MOA or better. In my opinion this is a great gun.
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Old September 5, 2017, 05:32 AM   #15
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"Just wondering with the 6.8 is that pretty close to the 270"

"The 120 gr SST will drop most animals within 300 yards."
I sort of like the 6.8 as a "niche deer cartridge" under 200 yards but have no confidence in it as a bear/elk round beyond contact range. By the time you get a bullet heavy or tough enough to give the penetration needed for the bigger game, the 6.8 cartridge doesn't have the capacity to push said bullet fast enough to guarantee proper expansion at longer ranges.
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