BEAR DEFENSE THREAD! But with a serious question.

samsmix · August 4, 2008, 09:33 PM

I remember reading an article written by an Alaskan guide, claiming the .357 180 WFN was just as good a the .44mag for Big Bear defense. The theory was that the sectional density of the 357 load would allow it to punch just as deep, and since deep penetrating bullets don't, by their very nature, do massive tissue damage. . .

Does anyone remember that one?

FWIW, while I do tote the .357 in MT, I also carry pepper spray.

Sarge · August 4, 2008, 09:41 PM

Notes from a trip to Alaska in April:

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.....Since we were traveling light, I took along my .357 Mag SP101 and my old 1911A1. Don't worry about ammo...you can find seriously-heavy handgun loads at the local WalMart. I grabbed an 18-pack of “Alaska Backpacker” .357's using a 200 grain hard-cast, gas-checked LBT.

Upon returning home, I chronographed a few and found them to produce 970 fps from the 2 ¼” SP101. Recoil was noticeable but not unbearable. The load's velocity didn't impress me much- until I started shooting things with it. It easily bored through a 3 inch seasoned oak limb, digging an inch groove in the trunk behind. It shot through an old mower deck- that .45 hardball only dents. This load grouped into about 2 ¼ “ at 25 yards, and the point-of-impact with the little Ruger was only 3” high at that distance. I do believe Alaska Backpacker's 200 grain .357 would shoot through a bear's noggin' and that's about all you can ask of a pocket gun. Truth be told, I would have preferred some of Buffalo Bore's Heavy .357 as it produces better velocity from short barrels. I wouldn't run from CorBon either but neither was available when I was looking for them.

Regardless of the ammo, a .357 is really too light for this duty. If Alaska were my home, a .454 Alaskan or short .45 Redhawk would be my constant companion. The .44 Mag has also proven itself time and again, and my choice of the .45/.454 is based solely on my sticking to one caliber.

Wildalaska · August 4, 2008, 10:02 PM

I know several oldtimers, including a guide, who use .357 up here for defense.

We just had TWO more bear maulings, one just off the highway in a populated suburb, http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/483769.html

Check the video out listed on that page.

Those critters are scary

WildigotsmeasawedoffAlaska TM

kurtiss · August 5, 2008, 09:52 AM

Wow. That is scary stuff. All we have to deal with down here in Fl are the black bears. I am always prepared in the woods, but they are extremely shy and scared of humans. I want to get to your neck of the woods to hunt in the future. I will be well armed when I do. They say to make noise when in the woods to make sure you don't surprise a bear. Problem is when hunting, you are trying to be as stealth as possible.

samsmix · August 5, 2008, 07:24 PM

It's not that I really think that bears are a major problem. Heck, every one I've ever seen was bent on being somewhere else. I was just curious if anyone else had read that article.

When the .357 first came on the scene, all sorts of mean critters were taken with it, but I consider this more of a stunt than a safe or sane practice.

tyrajam · August 5, 2008, 09:43 PM

The advice I've heard on handguns for grizzly defense is no matter what caliber you have, your best bet is to shoot yourself in the head if attacked and get it over with. Unless you punch through the brain or spine, you're getting chewed up. The new sprays are supposed to be the best defense there is.

samsmix · August 8, 2008, 05:10 PM

That was the similar to the argument in favor of the .357: No matter what you are using, you had better get a central nervous system hit.

FWIW, I am buying a Bisley Vaquro in .44 mag. Guess which one I'll be carrying? After all, the more (bullet) the merrier!

...Saw a 5" Raging bull for $500...hmmm...I like the Bisley better, but there is a lot of versatility in a DA .454...I dunno. One way or t'other I'm gettin a new toy!

Wildalaska · August 8, 2008, 10:07 PM

Another bear attack in Anchorage......

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/488208.html

I'm honestly thinking about carrying my .44 around

WildificanfinditAlaska TM

Socrates · August 8, 2008, 10:12 PM

Ken:
That link comes up to some registration page...

Wildalaska · August 8, 2008, 10:37 PM

Clear your cookies and bypass it...you been reading the Anchorage Daily Worker that much?

WildpravdaAlaska TM

azredhawk44 · August 8, 2008, 10:42 PM

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Another bear attack in Anchorage......

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/488208.html

I'm honestly thinking about carrying my .44 around

Getting a bit forward on that one, aren't they?

AZRedhawk44Redhawk44

Billy Sparks · August 9, 2008, 05:47 AM

Isn't that the same park that they teenaged bicyclist was mauled at a couple of months ago?

PT111 · August 9, 2008, 08:10 AM

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The advice I've heard on handguns for grizzly defense is no matter what caliber you have, your best bet is to shoot yourself in the head if attacked and get it over with. Unless you punch through the brain or spine, you're getting chewed up.

LOL

Always go with a friend that you can outrun or at least shoot him in the leg so he can't run. When it comes to Grizzly's shot placement is key over claiber.

Wildalaska · August 9, 2008, 09:57 AM

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Isn't that the same park that they teenaged bicyclist was mauled at a couple of months ago? .

Yep.

WildtheyareverywhereAlaska TM

August 4, 2008, 09:33 PM	#1
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	BEAR DEFENSE THREAD! But with a serious question. I remember reading an article written by an Alaskan guide, claiming the .357 180 WFN was just as good a the .44mag for Big Bear defense. The theory was that the sectional density of the 357 load would allow it to punch just as deep, and since deep penetrating bullets don't, by their very nature, do massive tissue damage. . . Does anyone remember that one? FWIW, while I do tote the .357 in MT, I also carry pepper spray. __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

August 5, 2008, 09:52 AM	#4
kurtiss Member Join Date: January 4, 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 29	Wow. That is scary stuff. All we have to deal with down here in Fl are the black bears. I am always prepared in the woods, but they are extremely shy and scared of humans. I want to get to your neck of the woods to hunt in the future. I will be well armed when I do. They say to make noise when in the woods to make sure you don't surprise a bear. Problem is when hunting, you are trying to be as stealth as possible. __________________ Survival Bracelets & Lanyards. Help us raise awareness and $'s for Wounded Warriors - Visit www.SurvivalStraps.com

August 5, 2008, 07:24 PM	#5
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	It's not that I really think that bears are a major problem. Heck, every one I've ever seen was bent on being somewhere else. I was just curious if anyone else had read that article. When the .357 first came on the scene, all sorts of mean critters were taken with it, but I consider this more of a stunt than a safe or sane practice. __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

August 8, 2008, 05:10 PM	#7
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	That was the similar to the argument in favor of the .357: No matter what you are using, you had better get a central nervous system hit. FWIW, I am buying a Bisley Vaquro in .44 mag. Guess which one I'll be carrying? After all, the more (bullet) the merrier! ...Saw a 5" Raging bull for $500...hmmm...I like the Bisley better, but there is a lot of versatility in a DA .454...I dunno. One way or t'other I'm gettin a new toy! __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

August 4, 2008, 10:02 PM	#3
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	I know several oldtimers, including a guide, who use .357 up here for defense. We just had TWO more bear maulings, one just off the highway in a populated suburb, http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/483769.html Check the video out listed on that page. Those critters are scary WildigotsmeasawedoffAlaska TM

August 5, 2008, 09:43 PM	#6
tyrajam Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 467	The advice I've heard on handguns for grizzly defense is no matter what caliber you have, your best bet is to shoot yourself in the head if attacked and get it over with. Unless you punch through the brain or spine, you're getting chewed up. The new sprays are supposed to be the best defense there is.

August 8, 2008, 10:07 PM	#8
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Another bear attack in Anchorage...... http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/488208.html I'm honestly thinking about carrying my .44 around WildificanfinditAlaska TM

August 8, 2008, 10:12 PM	#9
Socrates Junior member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: East Bay NorCal, People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 5,866	Ken: That link comes up to some registration page...

August 8, 2008, 10:37 PM	#10
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Clear your cookies and bypass it...you been reading the Anchorage Daily Worker that much? WildpravdaAlaska TM

August 9, 2008, 05:47 AM	#12
Billy Sparks Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC 27105 Posts: 745	Isn't that the same park that they teenaged bicyclist was mauled at a couple of months ago?