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Old September 14, 2018, 09:22 AM   #51
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A smith and builder of a 1911 that won at Perry called another friend to get help. Seems the builder released the slide and put a hole through the roof of his shop.

The next friend shows up, same thing; another hole through the roof. Had one of them loaded the pistol with a full magazine one of them or both would have put 7 holes through the roof.

The big time shooter that borrowed the pistol never cleaned the pistol and was hoping the builder would forget who borrowed the pistol. The pistol was so carboned up from all of the ammo that went through it the firing pin was stuck. Once that pistol got started there was no stopping it.

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Old September 14, 2018, 11:00 AM   #52
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It seems you are correct.
what, again??

The reason I asked was because I've done it a few times, myself. Had the pistol "auto close" when I didn't expect it, and not something it usually did. Each time, after the "what the hell??" moment, careful re-construction of the matter showed that it was me, and not the gun that caused it.

Congratulations on having the intestinal fortitude not just to discover the truth of the matter, but also admit it on the forum.
Good job on both.
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Old September 14, 2018, 12:09 PM   #53
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I really get tired of being right all the time here in my ordinary circle of people so sometimes I come here jut so I can be wrong once in a while.
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Old September 14, 2018, 04:22 PM   #54
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I really get tired of being right all the time here in my ordinary circle of people so sometimes I come here jut so I can be wrong once in a while.
A guy I used to know sometimes commented, "People who think they're always right are SOOOO annoying to those of us who are."
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Old September 14, 2018, 05:38 PM   #55
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Old September 14, 2018, 05:41 PM   #56
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Slide stop. Check your 1911, with the slide locked back there is very little room to move it back further to "sling shot".
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Old September 16, 2018, 08:36 PM   #57
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It helps if you live in an area that is known for its concentration of fools. Thank god there are occasionally people who are slightly lesser fools.

When I find a person who is exceptional it is a cherished moment.

And eventually, the guy invests in enron stock or stacks rotten firewood in his home or says "gee, maximum loadings are just guidelines." A couple of weeks ago I was talking to a neighbor whose chainsaw stopped in the middle of work.

"what mix did you use?"

"Mix?"
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Old September 16, 2018, 08:39 PM   #58
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I think of you as a lot of things, and I certainly think of you as being much wiser and far better looking than christopher lambert. You can probably speak english.

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Old September 16, 2018, 09:12 PM   #59
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Slide stop. Check your 1911, with the slide locked back there is very little room to move it back further to "sling shot".
But there's enough. The pistol was designed to operate that way.
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Old September 17, 2018, 08:20 AM   #60
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As I was taught by someone that had been an Armor for one of the Army marksmanship teams..

Hold the 1911 Very Firmly. Think to yourself “it’s gonna go full auto or kaboom” and prepare for those malfunctions.

Release the slide using the thumb lever.

My relaying of his explanation may be faulty, but as I recall he said that working at a military firing range all day for years and personal putting untold rounds down range as part of various tests or for practice or competition, he said odd failures were not common but he’d seen them all.

So... safety first.

My personal opinion is the 1911 is my competition bit of sporting goods. As a fighting weapon, there are safer better modern handguns- but I shoot paper, not people.
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As I was taught by someone that had been an Armor for one of the Army marksmanship teams..

Hold the 1911 Very Firmly. Think to yourself “it’s gonna go full auto or kaboom” and prepare for those malfunctions.

Release the slide using the thumb lever.

My relaying of his explanation may be faulty, but as I recall he said that working at a military firing range all day for years and personal putting untold rounds down range as part of various tests or for practice or competition, he said odd failures were not common but he’d seen them all.

So... safety first.

My personal opinion is the 1911 is my competition bit of sporting goods. As a fighting weapon, there are safer better modern handguns- but I shoot paper, not people.
I don't know that there is a safer pistol than the 1911 out there. If the pistol is in condition 1 you have to disengage the thumb safety, disengage the grip safety, and then pull the trigger to fire it, don't do any one of those three things and it won't fire. If you disengage the safeties and choose not to fire just reengaging the thumb safety makes it safe, taking your hand off the grip safety so that it reengages makes it that much safer.
If there is a safer to handle handgun out there, I haven't seen it.


As far as the question at hand, I slingshot my autos, including my 1911s. That's the way I've trained for decades, it works the same with all of them.
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Most professional training academy's that I have attended teach the slingshot method. My gunsmith who used to custom build 1911's says to use the slingshot method and thus I teach the slingshot method to my gun club students.
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The advantage to teaching the slingshot method (sometimes called the Israeli method) is that it works for nearly all semi auto pistols. SO one training regimen suffices for everything, or just about.

The Israelis promoted the method because being critically short of arms they literally used everything they could get their hands on. So, a wide variety of pistols were in use as issue weapons, with a lot of difference in their operating controls and locations. And, due to the situation, there was no guarantee that the pistol you got for use today, and the one next week would be the same make, model or caliber, so the most universal method of training was used.

There are some guns where the only way to close them is to "slingshot" them. The Luger is one. There are other guns where using the slide release is actually easier (for me, at least) but slingshotting does work, though it requires both hands to do.
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Old Today, 05:33 AM   #64
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What it boils down to girls is either method is widely used and causes the weapon to be charged and ready for action. There are those of us who carried a weapon as part of their required job tools, carried that weapon or had it close by for a career of 30+ years and on into retirement using one or the other method ( or both actually depending upon firearm) and have survived just fine.
I normally use the slide release ( terminology works for me) however, with my PPK and some of my other pistols the slide is manipulated by hand, once loaded I do not change the weapon’s status until it is safe to do so.
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Release the slide on a 1911

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So I have a little over 20 defective guns. Good to know.


Rangerrich99, I'm with you. I have an array of handguns -- single-action, double/single, striker-fired, including two Colt 1911s -- and I think the slides on all of them will close when you insert a magazine firmly. (And I don't mean slamming; I just mean firmly.) The reason I say "think" is because I haven't made specific correlations as to which pistols do or don't, but I know my 1911s will, and I know my Glock 19 Gen 4 will. These guns aren't defective.

Last spring I took a female friend shooting for the first time, and I gave her thorough instructions on everything she'd need to know or might encounter: handling, loading, charging, shooting, clearing, responding to duds or hang-fires ... probably more information than she could process, to be fair. And we spent a fair amount of time on how to release the slide, because some guns are easy to "overhand" (Glock or 1911) while others are not (Beretta 92 or CZ 75).

Then I thew in this: "By the way, with actual loaded mags, the slide may close on its own if you tap it in firmly. Just be aware of that." And in fact it happened to me once during our session, but I don't think it happened to her.

I didn't explain why, because to this day I don't really understand why.

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