Levi-Strauss Gun Control initiative article

HiBC · September 5, 2018, 05:11 AM

I'm done with them.

May they fold up and fade away.

Yhis policy includes a "Safer Tomorrow"fund,which grants money to anti-gun groups
Teaming up with Bloomberg to form Everytown Business Leaders for Gun Safety,and more.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...tiative-we-si/

mineralman55 · September 5, 2018, 05:57 AM

More of the "corporate" gun control BS. The left can't win on the issue, so they'll do an end-run. "We don't want to repeal the 2nd ammendment". Yeah, BS! Watch what happens next, employees will be asked about their gun ownership as a condition of employment.

ammo.crafter · September 5, 2018, 06:18 AM

Wrangler's are better anyway.

PAJoe1022 · September 5, 2018, 07:24 AM

I've always been too cheap to buy Levi's anyway.

HiBC · September 5, 2018, 07:33 AM

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Wrangler's are better anyway.

Absolutely.

FITASC · September 5, 2018, 08:05 AM

I buy mine from Sam's Club - $13 instead of $50 works for me. I stopped buying Levi's when they closed their US operations decades ago.

pete2 · September 5, 2018, 08:17 AM

Don't forget Levi also makes Dockers...........................

buck460XVR · September 5, 2018, 08:34 AM

Since "Levi Strauss" is still privately owned by the family,and not publicly traded(except it's company in Japan), a slight drop in sales is probably expected and not detrimental to a family wishing to support their personal ideals. In the past, boycotts have shown to have little or no impact on companies as large and as diverse as this. This is no different than the stand taken by Nike earlier this week with Collin Kaepernick. I'm sure both stands were weighed heavily before making any announcements and the risk any negative outcome understood. Levi's priced me outta their customer base a long time ago. I really have nuttin' to boycott.

Glenn E. Meyer · September 5, 2018, 09:03 AM

Dick's has suffered some loss in revenue from their recent actions, supposedly:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...es-shares-slip

If this is true, I don't know.

The Washington Times article said:

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“I’m not here to suggest we repeal the Second Amendment or to suggest that gun owners aren’t responsible,” Mr. Bergh wrote. “In fact, as a former U.S. Army officer, I took a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. But as retired four-star general Michael Hayden once said, ‘There are some weapons out there that frankly nobody should have access to. And actually, there are some people out there who should never have access to any weapons.’ “

This points out a problem that gun rights advocates really don't have good messaging on why EBRs, higher cap handguns, mags, should be available to the general public. Yes, appeals to the committed are used for funding raising and the rationales seem self-evident but that isn't enough to counter the moral panic of various rampages. Editorials about socialism won't cut it.

TheGunGeek · September 5, 2018, 11:00 AM

Orvis has made in America jeans. They're the best I've ever owned, (I now have 5) and is all I'll buy going forward. More expensive but very good, and made in the USA.

Don Fischer · September 5, 2018, 03:24 PM

I don't wear Levis and don't recall ever have but I like their shirt's. I'm with them on this though. They didn't say you can't carry just that they would rather you didn't. Big difference there to me! I think they are being really reasonable about it!

FITASC · September 5, 2018, 05:29 PM

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Orvis has made in America jeans. They're the best I've ever owned, (I now have 5) and is all I'll buy going forward. More expensive but very good, and made in the USA

An alternative to Orvis.

http://texasjeans.com/

pete2 · September 5, 2018, 06:42 PM

They are donating a million dollars to the enemy and encouraging their employees to donate to the anti gun group. This is way different from not allowing carrying in their stores. You buy a Levi product you are giving money to the enemy.

Glenn E. Meyer · September 5, 2018, 06:57 PM

Many corporations have policies that can be antithetical to your beliefs. Buy the wrong sandwich or arts and craft item and that could violate your beliefs.

Do the boycotts and Internet uproar actual impact a business? Interesting question for the economic and business journals.

Bottom Gun · September 5, 2018, 07:11 PM

Levi started this anti-gun nonsense years ago. I stopped buying their overpriced ill-fitting jeans then.
At least Wrangler knows what a man's body is supposed to look like.

jonnyc · September 5, 2018, 07:24 PM

Mr. Bergh should stick to selling pants, and mind his own damn business on everything else.

Glenn E. Meyer · September 5, 2018, 08:44 PM

OK, I think I will call this one. As I said, corporate heads are known to expose political views all over the spectrum. If you reside in one end, and the CEO blathers from the other, you get all excited and decide not to buy his or her pistachio nuts or bungee cords (just made that up).

Since in another thread, our learned counsels have told us that corporations are people and have rights, we really can't tell them to stick to making whatever they do.

Just don't wear their pants or eat their chicken sandwiches.

Closed as not being productive.

September 5, 2018, 05:11 AM	#1
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	Levi-Strauss Gun Control initiative article I'm done with them. May they fold up and fade away. Yhis policy includes a "Safer Tomorrow"fund,which grants money to anti-gun groups Teaming up with Bloomberg to form Everytown Business Leaders for Gun Safety,and more. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...tiative-we-si/ Last edited by HiBC; September 5, 2018 at 05:25 AM.

September 5, 2018, 06:18 AM	#3
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	Jeans and guns Wrangler's are better anyway. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

September 5, 2018, 08:05 AM	#6
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	I buy mine from Sam's Club - $13 instead of $50 works for me. I stopped buying Levi's when they closed their US operations decades ago. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

September 5, 2018, 06:57 PM	#14
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Many corporations have policies that can be antithetical to your beliefs. Buy the wrong sandwich or arts and craft item and that could violate your beliefs. Do the boycotts and Internet uproar actual impact a business? Interesting question for the economic and business journals. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

September 5, 2018, 07:11 PM	#15
Bottom Gun Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 1998 Location: Arizona Territory Posts: 1,092	Levi started this anti-gun nonsense years ago. I stopped buying their overpriced ill-fitting jeans then. At least Wrangler knows what a man's body is supposed to look like. __________________ NRA Life Member Mechanical engineers have their moments.

September 5, 2018, 05:57 AM	#2
mineralman55 Member Join Date: September 29, 2009 Location: deep south Posts: 99	More of the "corporate" gun control BS. The left can't win on the issue, so they'll do an end-run. "We don't want to repeal the 2nd ammendment". Yeah, BS! Watch what happens next, employees will be asked about their gun ownership as a condition of employment.

September 5, 2018, 07:24 AM	#4
PAJoe1022 Member Join Date: August 24, 2018 Posts: 41	I've always been too cheap to buy Levi's anyway.

September 5, 2018, 08:17 AM	#7
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 2,566	Don't forget Levi also makes Dockers...........................

September 5, 2018, 08:34 AM	#8
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	Since "Levi Strauss" is still privately owned by the family,and not publicly traded(except it's company in Japan), a slight drop in sales is probably expected and not detrimental to a family wishing to support their personal ideals. In the past, boycotts have shown to have little or no impact on companies as large and as diverse as this. This is no different than the stand taken by Nike earlier this week with Collin Kaepernick. I'm sure both stands were weighed heavily before making any announcements and the risk any negative outcome understood. Levi's priced me outta their customer base a long time ago. I really have nuttin' to boycott.

September 5, 2018, 11:00 AM	#10
TheGunGeek Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2016 Location: Florida Posts: 182	Orvis has made in America jeans. They're the best I've ever owned, (I now have 5) and is all I'll buy going forward. More expensive but very good, and made in the USA.

September 5, 2018, 03:24 PM	#11
Don Fischer Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2017 Posts: 1,868	I don't wear Levis and don't recall ever have but I like their shirt's. I'm with them on this though. They didn't say you can't carry just that they would rather you didn't. Big difference there to me! I think they are being really reasonable about it!

September 5, 2018, 06:42 PM	#13
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 2,566	They are donating a million dollars to the enemy and encouraging their employees to donate to the anti gun group. This is way different from not allowing carrying in their stores. You buy a Levi product you are giving money to the enemy.

September 5, 2018, 07:24 PM	#16
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	Mr. Bergh should stick to selling pants, and mind his own damn business on everything else. __________________ 2024 PA Cartridge Collector Show; Aug. 16-17, 2024!!! Buy...Sell...Trade All Types of Ammunition & Ordnance PM or email me for 2024 show details.

September 5, 2018, 08:44 PM	#17
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	OK, I think I will call this one. As I said, corporate heads are known to expose political views all over the spectrum. If you reside in one end, and the CEO blathers from the other, you get all excited and decide not to buy his or her pistachio nuts or bungee cords (just made that up). Since in another thread, our learned counsels have told us that corporations are people and have rights, we really can't tell them to stick to making whatever they do. Just don't wear their pants or eat their chicken sandwiches. Closed as not being productive. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens