what is it?

mwar410 · February 12, 2011, 08:06 PM

alright guys, I've searched and asked around "military experts", what is it? There is no visible markings (except remington arms co. ilion, NY on the bayonet). the stock is carved with letters and intials? except there is a perfect circle with a dot in the center. And a F.A. by the wrist of the stock.

A 7.62X 54 won't fit in the bore, and a 7mm 08 will chamber but a 1/2"

emcon5 · February 12, 2011, 08:14 PM

Looks like a Rolling Block.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remingt...ng_Block_rifle

mwar410 · February 12, 2011, 08:22 PM

I should have stated I thought it was a rolling block, but it is not a 11.5mm or a 45-70, and I'm kind of stumped.

emcon5 · February 12, 2011, 08:32 PM

What is the bore diameter?

On edit: http://books.google.com/books?id=Eq2...page&q&f=false

mwar410 · February 12, 2011, 08:50 PM

Don't have anything to measure the bore dia. but a 7mm seems alittle sloppy at the muzzle. I think it might be the m1915 with a 30" barrel, but a 7.62 won't come close to fitting in the muzzle. So it couldn't be a 8mm. The French Authority could explain the F.A. on the stock

jonnyc · February 12, 2011, 09:40 PM

Bayonet looks Turkish. Do you have a 7.65 Turkish Mauser round?

Joker0370 · February 12, 2011, 09:59 PM

Any markings on it?

They also had a lot chambered in .43 egyptian and .43 spanish. Finding ammo for either to 'check' might be difficult at best.

gew98 · February 12, 2011, 11:56 PM

My guess would be either 30/40 caliber or maybe 8mm Lebel.

radom · February 13, 2011, 01:33 AM

I would go with 30-40 or 8mm lebel also. Also may be a 7.62 russian.

Scorch · February 13, 2011, 01:45 AM

Remington Rolling Block, #5 action, most likely chambered for 7X57, but the only way to say for sure is do a chamber cast. Value in that condition, maybe $350-$500.

mwar410 · February 13, 2011, 07:50 AM

The only markings I found are: 1497 on the left side of the upper tang, and bottom of the trigger group, and a P on the bottom of the barrel. Besides the remington arms on the bayonet.

I'm going to check on the 30-40 dia. Because it seems to big for the 7mm at the muzzle and too small for the 7.62

Wasper · February 13, 2011, 03:40 PM

Contact G.S. Womack. He's a Rolling Block expert.

[email protected]

Jim Watson · February 13, 2011, 04:51 PM

If you clean a 7mm with an iron ramrod for a few enlistments, it can get worn out oversize.

gyvel · February 13, 2011, 05:21 PM

The short bayonet is the type usually found issued with 7mm Rolling Blocks. The same bayonet with a much longer blade was issued with the 8mm Rolling Blocks. It could also be for a Model 1899 Remington Lee bolt rifle. If I'm not mistaken, the same bayonet will fit a 6mm Lee Navy rifle.

How well does a 7mm round fit the chamber?

mwar410 · February 14, 2011, 12:21 PM

the 7mm-08 will chamber all but the last 1/2".

The 7mm bullet will fit in the muzzle with some slop. Yes it could be worn enough from cleaning it, can't see any rifling at the muzzle.

February 12, 2011, 11:56 PM	#8
gew98 Member Join Date: December 9, 2010 Location: Rural bluegrass abode Posts: 70	My guess would be either 30/40 caliber or maybe 8mm Lebel. __________________ 1) Culture Builds upon the past. 2) The Past always tries to control the future. 3) Our future is becoming less free. 4) To build free societies you must limit control of the past.

February 13, 2011, 01:45 AM	#10
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Remington Rolling Block, #5 action, most likely chambered for 7X57, but the only way to say for sure is do a chamber cast. Value in that condition, maybe $350-$500. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

February 12, 2011, 08:14 PM	#2
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Looks like a Rolling Block. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remingt...ng_Block_rifle

February 12, 2011, 08:22 PM	#3
mwar410 Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2008 Location: maine Posts: 234	I should have stated I thought it was a rolling block, but it is not a 11.5mm or a 45-70, and I'm kind of stumped.

February 12, 2011, 08:32 PM	#4
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	What is the bore diameter? On edit: http://books.google.com/books?id=Eq2...page&q&f=false

February 12, 2011, 08:50 PM	#5
mwar410 Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2008 Location: maine Posts: 234	Don't have anything to measure the bore dia. but a 7mm seems alittle sloppy at the muzzle. I think it might be the m1915 with a 30" barrel, but a 7.62 won't come close to fitting in the muzzle. So it couldn't be a 8mm. The French Authority could explain the F.A. on the stock

February 12, 2011, 09:40 PM	#6
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	Bayonet looks Turkish. Do you have a 7.65 Turkish Mauser round?

February 12, 2011, 09:59 PM	#7
Joker0370 Member Join Date: August 24, 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 19	Any markings on it? They also had a lot chambered in .43 egyptian and .43 spanish. Finding ammo for either to 'check' might be difficult at best.

February 13, 2011, 01:33 AM	#9
radom Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2000 Posts: 1,353	I would go with 30-40 or 8mm lebel also. Also may be a 7.62 russian.

February 13, 2011, 07:50 AM	#11
mwar410 Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2008 Location: maine Posts: 234	The only markings I found are: 1497 on the left side of the upper tang, and bottom of the trigger group, and a P on the bottom of the barrel. Besides the remington arms on the bayonet. I'm going to check on the 30-40 dia. Because it seems to big for the 7mm at the muzzle and too small for the 7.62

February 13, 2011, 03:40 PM	#12
Wasper Member Join Date: July 13, 2006 Posts: 56	Contact G.S. Womack. He's a Rolling Block expert. [email protected]

February 13, 2011, 04:51 PM	#13
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,538	If you clean a 7mm with an iron ramrod for a few enlistments, it can get worn out oversize.

February 13, 2011, 05:21 PM	#14
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	The short bayonet is the type usually found issued with 7mm Rolling Blocks. The same bayonet with a much longer blade was issued with the 8mm Rolling Blocks. It could also be for a Model 1899 Remington Lee bolt rifle. If I'm not mistaken, the same bayonet will fit a 6mm Lee Navy rifle. How well does a 7mm round fit the chamber?

February 14, 2011, 12:21 PM	#15
mwar410 Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2008 Location: maine Posts: 234	the 7mm-08 will chamber all but the last 1/2". The 7mm bullet will fit in the muzzle with some slop. Yes it could be worn enough from cleaning it, can't see any rifling at the muzzle.