are .308 and 30-06 bullet ( tips ) interchangle

[screaming4vengence]

First time loader-
I'm aware that both are a .308 in diameter however I wanted to be sure before doing anything too stupid.
Can a 180 gr 30-06 bullet be set in the casing of a .308?
The desired load looks like this
Winchester large rifle primers ,38 gr imr 8208 XBR ,180gr nosler BST

Thanks for any advice,help or criticism.

[mchapman]

YES

[Barnacle Brad]

Where did you get your load data?

[CowTowner]

I don't know about your load data, I can't check that from the office.
But yes, a .308 bullet will go in either a .308 Winchester or a 30-06.
It also fits in a .30 Remington, a 30-30 and a few other cartridges as long as you have safe load data to go by. (Disclaimer there folks)

[screaming4vengence]

Noslers site. My loading book is out of my direct reach atm so that's my load for the moment.I will not load until I have my book though...to untrusting

[Barnacle Brad]

http://www.nosler.com/308-winchester/

[screaming4vengence]

Thanks for the (quick) help it is much appreciated. Hopefully killed a few minutes of time while you were at work

[William T. Watts]

Sounds like you haven't done enough reading, it would be a good idea to read one of the manuals available I.E. ABC's of reloading would be a good place to start, this one is just one of many sources available. Understanding the hobby will keep you out of trouble and may prevent damage to yourself or your firearm! William

[zxcvbob]

Can a 180 gr 30-06 bullet be set in the casing of a .308?

Yes, of course. But I think you are pushing the upper end of the weight range for .308. It might be happier with a bit lighter bullets (147 to 168 grain range)

[Metal god]

I like your name

Just remember that both those rounds fly hell bent for leather while riding on the wind . What I recommend is heading out to the highway with your free wheel burning looking for some pain and pleasure . When night comes down and you find your self living after midnight you might be left out in the cold . Before the dawn and all you can see is the blood red skies . If you are a sinner and find your self breaking the law . Rest assured some heads are gonna roll and that will bring the hell patrol . You've got another thing coming if you don't think the sentinel ,the ripper and devil's child will not come united with rapid fire screaming for vengeance .

Rock hard ride free

Metal God(s)

[T. O'Heir]

"...pushing the upper end of the weight range for .308..." Nonsense. Isn't the best .308 bullet weight, but upper end it ain't.
38 grains of IMR8208 XBR is fine(2 grains over minimum), but did you work up the load or just pick it? You need to work up the load, not pick one.
Like William T. Watts says, read the book before you do anything.

[Bart B.]

100 to 250 grain bullets have been used in the 308 Win with good results. Better with the correct twist.

[screaming4vengence]

I picked the amount of powder based on noslers most "accurate" load .however I already had the intention of it being a low amount because I wanted the BT to stay more together ,as far as ballistic tips go. I'm usually only shooting in the 50 yard range and at max 200 so I really Dont need all the extra powder .
And like my earlier post says I'm not physically doing any of the loading until after I can get my book.assembling ingredients and ideas only for now.

And Mr metal god I must say that was rather symphonic

[Metal god]

And Mr metal god I must say that was rather symphonic

For those that did not understand my post . There are 23 song titles in that paragraph from one of the greatest metal bands ever to play

Just remember that both those rounds fly hell bent for leather while riding on the wind . What I recommend is heading out to the highway with your free wheel burning looking for some pain and pleasure . When night comes down and you find your self living after midnight you might be left out in the cold . Before the dawn and all you can see is the blood red skies . If you are a sinner and find your self breaking the law . Rest assured some heads are gonna roll and that will bring the hell patrol . You've got another thing coming if you don't think the sentinel , the ripper and devil's child will not come united with rapid fire - screaming for vengeance .

Rock hard ride free

Metal God(s)

I went to see these guys in 84 and again in 2009

Judas Priest metal gods 1982
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU5FI...AC5042&index=2

30th anniversary of there British steel album containing the song metal gods 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnyM5y9KA24

WOW I am getting old !!!!!

[Sport45]

Don't know if I'm too young, too old, too country, or just too out of touch; but I don't recognize any of those names.

And isn't it "You've got another think coming"?

[TMD]

Yes, of course. But I think you are pushing the upper end of the weight range for .308. It might be happier with a bit lighter bullets (147 to 168 grain range)

This is all dependent on the twist rate of the barrel. I have two .308's with 1/10 barrels that absolutely love 180 grain bullets.

[mdmtj]

As of this date 8-18-14 at 6:42am I became a proud grandfather I guess I'm officially old

Congratulations to you and yours! And yes, this milestone is usually a good indicator you are officially entering the "Old Fart" class. However, I do remember a girl I went to school with that had her first child when she was 14 and the daughter carried on with the tradition by also having a child at 14. 28 year old grandmother!!

An interesting aspect of being a grandfather that I found humorous was hearing my daughter say to my wife "Damn, I sounded just like Dad!" after correcting her son for a misdeed.

[jmr40]

Yes, of course. But I think you are pushing the upper end of the weight range for .308. It might be happier with a bit lighter bullets (147 to 168 grain range)

Why? Granted, with today's better bullets there is less need for heavier bullets in any cartridge. But lots of folks shoot 200+ gr bullets in 308 and 180's are certainly not too much.


I became a grandfather at 49, 56 now and don't consider myself an old fart just yet.

Congratulations to you and yours! And yes, this milestone is usually a good indicator you are officially entering the "Old Fart" class. However, I do remember a girl I went to school with that had her first child when she was 14 and the daughter carried on with the tradition by also having a child at 14. 28 year old grandmother!!

I can beat that.

I taught school for 30 years. We had a pregnant 6th grader. Pregnant at 11, gave birth at 12. By the time she got her drivers license she could drop her kid off in Kindergarten and 1st grade on her way to school her last 2 years.

[screaming4vengence]

The twist is 11" if that helps.

[Bart B.]

1:11 twists were popular in 308 and 30-06 match rifles for 165 to 200 grain bullets.

[TMD]

1/11 twist is pushing the limits of a 180 gr bullet. 150-165's would work much better.

[Unclenick]

TMD,

That's not slow for a 180 unless it's a very long VLD shape or a copper solid that is long because of its lower density. Bullet length has much more to do with twist requirement than weight or velocity. In this case, a 180 grain bullet up to 1.4 inches long and at 2500 fps or more should be fine for hunting with the 11" twist in 59° ambient temperature or warmer.

you can check this by using the bullet stability calculator at the JBM site. Sierra recommends a result of 1.3 to 3.0 for "hunting accuracy" and 1.4 to 1.7 for "benchrest match accuracy".

[Bart B.]

7.62 NATO Garands and M14NM match rifles with 1:12 twist barrels won many a match with 180 and 190 grain Sierra HPMK's or Lapua 185's. At 1000 yards, they were tough to out score even with bolt action match rifles. Even in cool temperatures.

I had a Win 70 target rifle in .308 whose 1:12 twist barrel shot Lapua 185's under 10 inches at 1000; not too shabby for a commercial rifle.

[screaming4vengence]

I actually used the ballistic stability calc the other day and it says it its not going to get any better than what i have now..the only thing left to do is to get my book and dyes back double check the powder amount is OK in the book and start cranking out rounds.
Its 1.46 currently , which is OK for my purposes.
I need the heavier round for when my family calls me for black bear season. you may say that this is to small for that and a BT is most likely the worst choice for it.I'm OK with that.if I make a decent shot and it does die then I'm out the money for mounting and all that. If it doesn't then I'm sure the BT will make a nice blood trail for someone who hasn't killed one ( someone else in our group at least).
180 should be enough to drop any dear I'll ever come across with few exceptions

[44 AMP]

Just a word of caution, when it comes to loading data, trust, but verify!

I don't know IMR 8028, so I won't comment on it, but, if you look around, you will find different listings from different sources for the common powders, and while all were safe in the test guns and ammo, YOUR gun might be slightly different.

For example, in the link to the Nosler data provided, their STARTING load for the 180gr bullet with IMR 4895 is the same amount as the MAX LOAD in the Hornady #3 handbook, same weight bullet, same powder....

ALL load data are guidelines. They show what they used, and what they got. Generally, our guns and ammo are similar enough to make them good guidelines, but there can be differences, and sometimes those differences are important.

ALWAYS work up your own loads, carefully. Your gun and components are the deciding factors, and what's in the books is for reference....