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Old May 4, 2017, 01:02 PM   #26
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However, not to divert but I'll be straight forward. Ditch the shotgun paradigm for the AR. The shotgun offers nothing over that platform.
I'd say shot for shot, a 12 Gauge shotgun is hard to beat for home defense ranges.
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Old May 4, 2017, 03:24 PM   #27
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I don't want to redo that debate. If there is evidence that the 12 gauge is superior based on evidence, not anecdotes, I haven't seen it and I pay attention to such.

But, I'm out suggestions on this thread. I can shoot both - I have the low recoil Federal in my shotgun for HD but going for the AR if I have to use a long arm.

Do what folks want based on cliches.
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Old May 4, 2017, 05:50 PM   #28
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mehavey wrote: I'm having a real problem here. ½mv² exiting the muzzle -- which is necessary to stop the TrulyTrulyBadGuy -- can't be violated to be gentle to the SensitiveGoodGuy.

You're either going to throw an effective load of buckshot -- enough of it/going fast enough -- to get the job done or you're not.

So I'm not going recommend anything reduced-recoil.
Instead I suggest taking the standard 2¾ 00 Buck out...
...and get used to it.
Some people can't take the recoil for a variety of reasons. Some people can't make a follow up well due to recoil. That said: 9 53 gr. pellets moving 1150 fps can make 9 33 caliber wound paths delivering 156 ft. lbs each deliver 1404 total ft. lbs of muzzle energy. I don't know too many people who are going to volunteer to be the Test Dummy for that.
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Old May 5, 2017, 08:08 AM   #29
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I don't want to redo that debate. If there is evidence that the 12 gauge is superior based on evidence, not anecdotes, I haven't seen it and I pay attention to such.

But, I'm out suggestions on this thread. I can shoot both - I have the low recoil Federal in my shotgun for HD but going for the AR if I have to use a long arm.

Do what folks want based on clichés.

If someone thinks that something like a single 9mm. 5.56mm, etc. round is more effective than a single 12 Gauge shotgun round for home defense ranges, then more power to them In any case, for the 12 Gauge Mossberg 590A1, I like to use Federal low recoil flitecontrol rounds that generally can pattern all 9 of 00 Buckshot in the 8 ring or better up to 25 yards.
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Old May 7, 2017, 08:12 AM   #30
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I think the shotgun can offer some advantages at home defense ranges but low recoil isn't one of them.


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Old May 7, 2017, 11:53 AM   #31
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The differences between the recoil of an AR and shotgun might not be as important as we think.
Under the extreme circumstances of an actual home defense occurrence, would anyone even notice recoil?
It might matter for practicing, though.
Or avoiding practice.
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Old May 19, 2017, 12:34 PM   #32
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OP, I have severe arthritis in my facet joints from the top to bottom of my spine. I no longer use standard 12 gauge loads to practice but use reduced velocity Fiocchi.

My home defense shotgun is also same load or reduced recoil in Remington or Federal, in either buckshot or slugs. They don't hurt my back nearly as bad as the standard stuff.
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Old May 19, 2017, 01:20 PM   #33
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After a lot of investigation, I'm going to try some Nobelsports 2 1/4 inch buckshot loads.
These have six 00 pellets at 1250 fps.

http://www.jgsales.com/12ga-nobel-sp...x.-p-3243.html

For practice I saw some Low recoil, low noise birdshot loads at about 980 fps at Walmart that I'm going to try out.

Some people just physically can't use most shotgun defense loads without suffering actual damage to a shoulder.
It's not a matter of "Gee that hurt" it can be a matter of the doctor saying, "Gee you damaged the joint, time for major surgery".
That situation requires some serious thought and experimentation.
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Old May 19, 2017, 02:02 PM   #34
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I wish I could find 20 ga. reduced recoil buckshot for my shotgun pistol.
Anyone know of any?
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Old May 20, 2017, 02:32 PM   #35
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Internet search found this............

http://wolfhillammo.com/20gaugetacti...ckshot234.aspx
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Old May 20, 2017, 03:33 PM   #36
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Thanks!
I may try some, but even light field loads are brutal in this thing.
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Old May 20, 2017, 04:59 PM   #37
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Sorry to "buck" the trend....but have you tried the .410? My Mossberg 500 .410 is a handy, low-recoil package, and the perp won't really tell much difference between 5 000Buck pellets and 8 00Buck pellets.....

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