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Old March 9, 2006, 09:38 AM   #1
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National Bullet Company --- Problems and news

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I placed an order with National Bullet when they had their New Year's special, and still haven't gotten it in three months!

I've made repeated calls, and am promised that the product will get sent immediately, but when it doesn't arrive a week or so later, am told a new lame excuse.

I've even asked for a refund which I never got. A friend who placed an order for copper washed bullets the week before also has gotten the same run around.

I've ordered bullets from this company for years and never had this problem. Anyone know what's going on with them?

PS. What's a good source for plated bullets?

Thanks for your replies.

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Old March 9, 2006, 10:36 AM   #2
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I'm betting that you know the difference between those crappy "copper washed" bullets and plated bullets, but a newbie reading this might not.

Check out Cabella's. They figure their shipping charges by price, not weight. Also, Montana Golds are jacketed, not plated, but they're competitively priced.
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Old March 9, 2006, 11:09 AM   #3
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I've been waiting on an order from them for over 6 1/2 months. Sorta given up at this point. I've gotten the same "never kept" promises.

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Old March 9, 2006, 11:11 AM   #4
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Old March 9, 2006, 11:30 AM   #5
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National Bullet Company

The cast bullet market seems to be rather competitive. Lead prices over the last few years have skyrocketed. D&J went out of business in the last couple of years. If prices continue to rise I would expect to see other businesses go under. Thanks for the heads up.
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Old March 9, 2006, 04:50 PM   #6
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Berrys. Free Shipping
http://www.berrysmfg.com/categories/2-0.php


Graf & sons. Free shipping
http://www.grafs.com/metallic/555
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Old June 13, 2006, 07:39 PM   #7
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Hi Fart

I ordered copperized bullets from Nat. Bullet in March. I cancelled after they failed to deliver. Asked for a refund credit. Been calling him every week to have him credit my Visa account. Each time he assures me it's been taken care of..He stated today that he had taken care of it on Mon.......Bank says different..........Buyer BEWARE with this company
Started with Berry's plated bullets and very happy with them.
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Old June 13, 2006, 07:55 PM   #8
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Wish I would have seen this 3 1/2 - 4 weeks ago when I ordered from them. I emailed them the week before last and was told by Ken they were going to ship last week they were just waiting on the bullets from their plater....still no bullets this week. As a matter a fact I emailed them again tonight before I logged on to here. I'm going to send them a link to this thread.
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Old June 13, 2006, 08:26 PM   #9
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I stopped ordering from NBC years ago when I opened a box of .45s and fully half of them had nasty ass casting defects.

About 1/3rd of them also didn't have lube.
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Old June 13, 2006, 08:31 PM   #10
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If you used a credit card....call your credit card company and dispute the charge. The card companies use the big hammer approach.
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Old June 13, 2006, 09:13 PM   #11
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They lost their plater and had nothing for awhile. Maybe the new plater isn't working out, either? Anyone having trouble getting their regular unplated bullets?

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Old June 14, 2006, 06:26 AM   #12
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National Bullet Company

National Bullet Company?
Oh well.
I ordered a thousand 230 grain bullets from National Bullet. They were advertised as HARD CAST. They ledded my 1911 barrel, with every shot.
When I E-Mailed them to complain their response was "hard cast is a relative thing." I think what they were saying is it's an advertising ploy to get your business. I will not buy from them again.
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Old June 14, 2006, 09:32 AM   #13
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For those of you that are trying to get them to issue you a credit to your card, forget it. They charged my credit card when I placed the order, 4 months later still had nothing from them. I called them and cancelled my order and he assured me that my card would be credited. After 2 weeks I had received no credit, so I just called my credit card company and had them do a charge back.

Easy, painless, and I got my money back. You just need to wait two weeks between cancelling the order and doing the charge-back. This is to allow time for legimiate sellers to refund your money. If after two weeks you have no refund, the credit card companies are happy to take care of it. If National Bullet does this enough times, the credit card company will revoke their credit card processing privilage.

I read several different forums, and have seen posts from dozens of people with exactly the same experience with this company.
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Old June 14, 2006, 10:01 AM   #14
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After waiting over 8 months for my order, I cancelled it. Ken didn't even ackowledge the cancellation...

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Old June 14, 2006, 11:00 AM   #15
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If the problems are this bad, people need to start filing BBB complaints, and also lodging complaints with whatever state office regulated business activities.

The failure to issue refunds is a BIG problem.
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Old June 14, 2006, 04:28 PM   #16
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Ken sent me an email today saying my order was shipping tomorrow. I'll wait and see. I'm out of town for the next two weeks, so if it's not here when I return I'm cancelling it.
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Old June 16, 2006, 09:34 AM   #17
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This has been a useful thread. I've had National Bullet bookmarked for quite some time because they offer a bullet for the 9mm Makarov (actually a 9.2mm round,) which not everybody does. Hadn't got around to ordering from them yet, but as a result of this thread I just erased the bookmark, to save myself any future grief. Perhaps others should do the same.

Thanks to all for sharing the experience.
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Old June 16, 2006, 10:09 AM   #18
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Companies about to declare bankruptcy frequently delay issuing credits and refunds. After they file bankrupcy, the cc company can't reverse the charges, and you just become another claimant. Better jump on your cc company immediately, before the hammer falls.
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Old July 14, 2006, 06:59 AM   #19
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National Bullet

Is anybody else still having problems with National Bullet?
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Old July 15, 2006, 10:34 AM   #20
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I haven't ordered from them for over a year. I didn't have trouble then. However, from all the reports listed here, it sounds like they have cash flow problems. You may be able to do business with them if you call and make sure the item you want is in stock and can ship without delay. Don't allow them to backorder anything for you.

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Old July 15, 2006, 10:58 AM   #21
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Sorry I've been out of town. I finally got my order. it took about 6 1/2 weeks. I think I'll stay away from them.
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Old July 15, 2006, 09:33 PM   #22
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I'm sorry to hear the bad reports. I like their bullits. The lswc were a harder cast than Speer or Hornandy lead cast. I 've sent my 45 cases to them for reloading, it was as cheap as me reloading, and never had problems.

You have made me too scared to reorder now.
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I think you'll find the Speer and Hornady are swaged and not cast (no mold seam). Swaging requires a softer alloy. There are lots of casters with hard alloys to choose form. Magnus, Lasercast, BearTooth, Ranier, just to name a few.

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Old July 17, 2006, 05:27 AM   #24
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Plated bullets

I order tens of thousands of Berry's bullets,The quality is great.Someone posted free shipping for Berry's and Grafs.Neither of these offer free shipping on projectiles.Cabelas will ship hundreds of pounds to you with a maximum shipping cost of $20.75.Find a commercial reloader that orders by the ton and see if you can piggyback on his order.Ordering what you need month to month will put you in the poorhouse.
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Old July 17, 2006, 09:49 AM   #25
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Skeet, unless I'm misunderstanding your post, you're saying that Berry's doesn't offer free shipping. If that's what you're saying, then that's contrary to the information on their website.
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