April 30, 2015, 12:00 PM | #1 |
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NC Gun legislation
http://www.wral.com/sweeping-gun-law...vote/14610483/
House Bill 562 has a lot of parts to it, from allowing firearms at schools, to allowing DA's to carry in courtrooms, to stopping noise ordinances from shutting down gun ranges, stopping doctors from asking about firearm ownership, Domestic Violence limitations on 2nd Amendment rights, and hopefully getting rid of the dumb pistol permit to buy law. Me personally, I want that dumb pistol purchase permit gotten rid of. All it does is force you to get TWO background checks. I'm against any permit to exercise a right. Keep your fingers crossed for us in North Carolina. We are trying to get back what was stolen as best we can. "Non sibi sed patriae" |
April 30, 2015, 12:58 PM | #2 |
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Crossing my fingers... NC is one of our top 5 "States to retire in".
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April 30, 2015, 01:18 PM | #3 |
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I think most of the provisions are good commons sense (for gun owners). However, I'm not so sure about the provision preventing mental health professionals from disclosing ownership to LE. After every one of the mass shootings, it came out that there were people who knew those individuals had mental issues AND were a danger to others. Even members of this forum expressed opionions that they could have been stopped if the appropriate people interviened.
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April 30, 2015, 01:22 PM | #4 |
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If they get rid of the pistol permit law I will physically jump for joy.
Hooray for the Old North State! Regards, -Mo.
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Latest new on this bill at GRNC:
http://paracom.paramountcommunicatio...d&ei=W3dkwl1AN Quote:
• Senior Chairman Rep. Nelson Dollar: 919-715-0795, [email protected] • Chairman Linda Johnson: 919-733-5861, [email protected] • Chairman Donny Lambeth: 919-733-5747, [email protected] • Chairman Chuck McGrady: 919-733-5956, [email protected] Contact Judiciary Chairman Leo Daughtry at 919-733-5605 and [email protected] and tell him to stop his efforts to defeat pro-gun legislation which will help lawful North Carolinians protect themselves and their families. Contact YOUR NC House representative (A draft message is located at the link at the top - DMK). Find them HERE: http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/represen...resentsMe.aspx
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April 30, 2015, 03:23 PM | #6 |
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Doyle, I see the Doctor/patient thing like this. If a Psych Doctor is contacting the police to inform them that one of their patients is a danger to society then my first question to that Head shrinker is why the hell did the he (the Doctor) just turn him/her loose on society instead of involuntary commitment? Because if the doctors assessment is that they are a threat, then that is the appropriate action IMO. Also, on the other side of the coin, why discharge them if they are still a threat?
We don't take their cars, cans of gasoline, or matches away from them when they are released from treatment. Right? Doctors should not get involved in law enforcement matters for the most part. It's not what we are there for. It's not what we trained in or for. It's why we have medical staff lawyers and hospital security personnel. |
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I'm not completely comfortable with doctors reporting either. However, I do feel like they at least shouldn't have their hands legally tied like this bill would do. I say let them report IF they have justifiable reason to believe the person is a harm to others. |
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April 30, 2015, 04:28 PM | #8 |
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From Doyl: Because most mental health providers don't have the ability to involuntarily commit someone. Those that do can't just order them to be immediately locked up. It takes time and process. During that time, the person could be off on a psychotic rampage.
That's why they make Haldol. But seriously, The problem with psych is that of all the medical departments its the closest to Voodoo medicine as it gets. If a Psych Doctor doesn't have admitting privileges then perhaps that should be a first priority. No? A Doctor without admitting privileges is pretty useless IMO. Ignoring the fact that some patients will need inpatient care is a huge negligence in prior planning. From Doyl: I'm not completely comfortable with doctors reporting either. However, I do feel like they at least shouldn't have their hands legally tied like this bill would do. I say let them report IF they have justifiable reason to believe the person is a harm to others That's fine, however, that's neither a efficient or effective law to say "let them do what they want". If a doctor's reports you and he is in error. Then what? What about the Doctor that doesn't report someone when he should? Then what? You see it opens up a can of worms. If patients find out that their doctor is reporting them to Law enforcement and they then stop seeing their doctor over fear of persecution, then what? The problem will not get any better. Heath care should not be involved in removing peoples constitutional rights, its not our roll. |
April 30, 2015, 10:28 PM | #9 |
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There were probably a couple of dozen separate pro-gun bills introduced in North Carolina this year, ranging from the sublime (constitutional carry) to the asinine (an uber concealed carry license, including an official badge ). Overall, the current omnibus bill is pretty good, but as they say, it's not over till its over.
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May 1, 2015, 07:02 AM | #10 |
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Yea, I read a little bit about that super-duper secret-squirrel shiny-badge concealed-carry thingy and wondered if anyone else thought it was just an attempt at revenue enhancement. Because other than that it didn't seem to serve any purpose. Than again, I think selling people a permit, of any type, to exercise a RIGHT is wrong.
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June 5, 2015, 10:00 PM | #11 |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ated-gun-bill/
Passed the House by the skin of our teeth. Rep Cleveland is pushing hard. |
June 6, 2015, 01:41 AM | #12 |
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A further watered-down substitute bill was approved by a House committee. The revised bill will go to the House floor on Monday, June 8.
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June 9, 2015, 07:22 PM | #13 |
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It's my understanding they have put off voting on it due to opposition from Sheriffs (who get money for the purchase permits)
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