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January 19, 2020, 08:31 AM | #26 |
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VERY true 'carry it', but to be any good with that, ya gotta shoot it and often. Not only to get better with it but also to make sure it's reliable. Like it or don't, 'some' of us CAN'T regularly shoot something like a 357 snubbie..I've had a S&W 642 and shot my son's S&W 686, with 357..and that hurts this old fart with a gimpy RH wrist and thumb, to the point of not really having a 'functional right hand the next day...
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January 19, 2020, 09:32 AM | #27 |
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I use Remington Golden Sabers in my LCPs.
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January 19, 2020, 09:59 AM | #28 | |
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Fun fact: most of not all .380 pistols are blowback. They recoil quite a bit as well.
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January 19, 2020, 10:04 AM | #29 |
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on hot days I carry a second edition ruger lcp in .380 in my front pocket holster with out any printing, try that with a 36-60 S&W. on days I wear more cloths I carry a glock-1911.
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January 19, 2020, 12:45 PM | #30 |
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I go back and forth between carrying a Charter Bulldog Classic .44 and my Browning BDA .380. Both get loaded with premium ammo. With 14 rounds of good ammo in the Browning, and my ability to shoot it pretty well, I am fairly well armed in my humble opinion. Have been looking for the new Federal .380 HydaShok Deep rounds, but can’t find any yet.
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I had a Davis/Lorcin 380 and it was pretty brutal to shoot and the slide would cut the top of my shooting hand. It got sold pretty quick. A Titan 380 the one with the open top slide like a Beretta was a kitty cat to shoot. And it was a fixed barreled gun. I think gun design has a lot to do with it. My tiny 10oz Taurus TCP is a tilting barrel lock up and while it recoils some that PA-63 has it beat all to heck for recoil. |
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January 20, 2020, 03:30 PM | #32 | |
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I would estimate the felt recoil difference between a 22lr and 22wmr in a revolver... Is of similar scale to the felt difference between a 22wmr revolver and the 380EZ.
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January 20, 2020, 06:03 PM | #34 | |
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After he got the new gun we went shooting. I took the new to me stainless model and he shot his lightweight. I provided the ammo. You should have seen the look on his face when he shot some of my hot 38s in that lightweight gun. Shooting those two guns side by gave a clear idea of how too light of a gun can be a bad thing. He sold that new gun not to long after that. |
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January 20, 2020, 06:42 PM | #35 |
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Looks like an interesting option. I usually carry more than a 380 but I do have a 380 for when a pocket option is the only option, or if I’m being lazy. I carry XTP’s in mine and I think it’s a good load. I’ll consider these in the future if they pan out, although the results quoted in the link are about equal to most of the tests I’ve seen on the XTP loads.
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My G42 very gentle..GREAT gun. When clothes says I can't carry my G26(with 19r G19 magazine), I carry the G42..with a +1 or +2 magazine. Shot yesterday with sons..I have a Beretta/Uberti 38/357..other son a S&W 686..fun to alternate 38 and 357 in each. 38-nice, 357-ouch..for ME.. I'm a big fan of shooting what I own a LOT..so it's gotta be FTS* *Fun TO Shoot
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For me @ 58 and decades of shooting magnums a 44 magnum snubby is still fun to shoot, but a 6lb 30-06 is not.
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January 22, 2020, 03:41 PM | #39 |
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SIG P238, Kimber Micro, Star DK, Star S series, Keltec P3AT, Ruger LCP are ALL locked breech guns. I'm pretty sure the latest Berettas are too.
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January 23, 2020, 03:41 AM | #42 |
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I've been carrying an S&W EZE .380 a lot lately and it's a hoot to shoot. Holding it on target and emptying the mag is a breeze as it's light recoil and handles great. I only practice with it doing rapid fire and it seems like it's built for it.
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January 24, 2020, 02:56 AM | #43 |
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Federal's 85-grain Hydra-Shoks in .327 Federal are my daily carry ammo. They represent the best balance of performance and recoil on the LCR. Now, I've only tested them on fruit, water jugs, old canned goods, phone books, wood, etc. It's enough to know that I prefer them over .38 special or .380 acp.
The issue with .380 isn't that it's weak or useless. It's actually not bad given how easy it is to carry some of the little guns that use it. The issue is that it's down near the margin. It's in a place where penetration versus expansion can be a serious question. It takes a lot of work to get it right and inspire confidence. (For example, this thread exists.) For some people, it just feels like a safer bet to use 9mm. In my case, I'm using the same weight projectile but with a little better sectional density and a few hundred more fps. Whatever the case, I look forward to seeing these tested. I'd especially like to get a box over to Paul Harrell. =D |
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That was 2 years ago..I sent him an email, one was answered(busy, I'll get to it) the other..not..I still like his videos but canceled my patreron subscription to him.. BTW-I did a VERY unscientific test on my own..some pork ribs on a watermelon wrapped with about 10 layers of jeans..shot Lehigh Xtreme Defender .380 from about 5 YARDS and it made quite a nice mess of the watermelon..split the front, BIG hole in back. Tried another with 9mm JHP..didn't find the round but small hole going in, small hole coming out. It 'appeared' like it didn't open at all(clogged?). YMMV and all that..
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BTW, If you live in the southern Twin Cities, stop by our range on Wed. Nite or Sat morning. https://policeandfire.training/public-programs/ |
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January 24, 2020, 11:21 AM | #47 | |
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Also living in the Twin Cities I agree with your comments. Federal ammo has always been a solid reliable product and keeping them running is very important. I just left my LGS in Eden Prairie with a 825rd pack of Federal HP's for $30. BTW, If you live in the southern Twin Cities, stop by our range on Wed. Nite or Sat morning. https://policeandfire.training/public-programs/ |
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Despite the silly name, I really like the concept of Lehigh's Penetrator solids. While it doesn't "penetrate" any more deeply than FMJ, it does seem to tear up up the wound channel nicely. If I was going to carry .380 or .38 special defensively, they'd be an easy choice based on the test results I've seen. |
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January 25, 2020, 12:25 AM | #49 |
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Federal doesn't need help
Federal is owned by Vista Outdoors. Vista was a spin sister company of ATK. ATK owned CCI/Speer and about 95% of all other brands except for Freedom/Winchester and Hornady). Vista Outdoors brought CCI/Speer and Federal into the same company. Oh by the way, ATK was already owned by Northrop Grumman. Vista is also owned by Northrop Grumman. Northrop operates the Govt owned Lake City plant that provides every round of ammunition to the US government. No. Federal doesn't need your support one bit. Northrop Grumman owns Vista and owns almost every box you can randomly select online or in a store. Last edited by wild cat mccane; January 25, 2020 at 09:08 PM. |
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Nice post. Nothing wrong with carrying .380. Is 9mm better, yea, of course it is. But is .380 good enough in most scenarios, yes. I'd rather carry a decent .380 that shoots well than an ultra small 9 that doesn't. And sometimes the 9 just doesn't conceal as well as I'd like or sometimes it's just to heavy for what I'm doing that day.
As far as Federal Hydra-shock, I like it. I use it in both the 9mm and the .40sw so I'll have to pick some of this up.
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