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February 20, 2013, 04:29 AM | #26 | |
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Re: Colorado Gun Owners - Don't Surrender!
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Move or deal with it, but it wont change anytime in our lifetimes so quit crying about it and enhance the remaining life you have for the better... You can move if you really want to, but that would mean youd actually have to think outside the box. |
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February 20, 2013, 07:06 AM | #27 |
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DASHZNT, if you can pick up and move at will, it means one or more of the following:
1) You have no life, anyway; 2) You don't currently live near a lot of family and loved ones; 3) You don't have a really good job that would be hard to replace if you moved; 4) You are so wealthy that you don't have to sweat the job, and can travel to see family or fly them to see you at will. Most people do not fall into category 4. Most would prefer not to fall into categories 1 or 2. Which category do you claim? |
February 20, 2013, 09:06 AM | #28 |
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I agree picking up and moving is the wrong thing to do, we need to educate and change opinions on guns. Most of the people who demonize firearms and their owners rarely have any experience with firearms. Again the problem with politics is that most people now live in metro areas instead of rural anymore, so a lot of people don't have any exposure to firearms.
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February 20, 2013, 09:48 AM | #29 |
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I'm not moving. This is my state and I love it here. Gun rights are very important obviously, but they are not my reason for living.
I am going to bother these fools as much as possible. If these ridiculous measures become law, I'll keep up the fight. |
February 20, 2013, 09:51 AM | #30 |
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That certainly doesn't seem "fragmented and disorganized" to me.
You're right - you're not familiar with Colorado politics, which are as dirty and nasty as anywhere else (and I'm originally from Louisiana). Send me a PM and I'll explain further as that conversation is not firearm-centric. |
February 20, 2013, 10:03 AM | #31 | |
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Moving isn't a useful discussion. That is a personal decision. Also, states have had their policies changed by activism. That's where all the shall issue laws have come from.
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It is unfortunate that candidates don't respect other basic rights as well as gun rights. Do you value gun rights and throw away others? Saying to move or always vote for the progun person doesn't face reality at times. Sad to say. But we need than cliches to protect all rights.
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February 20, 2013, 10:45 AM | #32 |
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You're right Glenn. Gun-friendly Texas had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the world of concealed-carry but did so because of the pressure from its electorate.
Pendulums can and do swing back and forth. |
February 20, 2013, 10:47 AM | #33 |
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doofus47, that letter was really well done.
Whether or not it does any good, kudu's to you, sir! |
February 20, 2013, 11:05 AM | #34 |
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I know - Hiker - isn't it terrible? I left a gun friendly state where I had a CCW permit to TX. It didn't have CHL then. BUT, I got a significantly better job and a much better housing situation. I could own guns but not carry except in the weird traveling circumstance. That did no good most of the day.
But, votes mattered and we had the law. Then the law was amended for the better.
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February 20, 2013, 08:05 PM | #35 | |
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I'm writing to Hickenlooper to tell him he had the right idea in the aftermath of the batman massacre...
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February 20, 2013, 10:55 PM | #36 |
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So what made him change his mind a few months later?
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February 21, 2013, 02:52 AM | #37 | |
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Columbine survivor Evan Todd's open letter to the President
Columbine survivor Evan Todd wrote an open letter to the president on firearms controls and asked him "Whose side are you on?"
I am posting the letter in its entirety for archival purposes so we can find it for reference should we wish. There are no copyright issues with an open letter because open letters, by their very nature, are public domain from their release. This is why most newspapers will not print open letters. The Blaze has an interview with Evan Todd on their website HERE There is also a video discussion with Scott Baker and Billy Hallowell at the page HERE Quote:
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Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey |
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February 21, 2013, 04:50 AM | #38 |
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Colorado - what happened?
What in the world happened to the rugged Colorado one of the central backbone states of American heritage? What kind of population has migrated to this area that would be so liberal.
I am from TN/AR and have always dreamed of living in such a place, but with the voting and passing of laws that I have seen, Montanna is the new Colorado. |
February 21, 2013, 08:17 AM | #39 | |
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Californians.
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Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey |
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February 21, 2013, 09:19 AM | #40 | |
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Gunowners either value rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution or they do not. Many gunowners vote away their Second Amendment rights because of political promises not related to any other Constitutional right. Used to hunt with several guys from NJ. All of them claimed to be staunch supporters of our Second Amendment rights. To a person they voted as instructed by their shop steward: Politicians who were pro-union and anti-gun always got their votes. In the back of one gun safe are three pristine "assault rifles" formerly belonging to two of my friends from NJ. They were forced to "dispose" of those guns outside of NJ when "assault rifles" were banned there. Yeah, those guns were legally transferred through gun dealers. |
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February 21, 2013, 09:42 AM | #41 |
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I'm hearing several times a week from the duck hunters and the revolver fans about how an AWB doesn't bother them. Then they hear about the actual AWB bill and how it affects them, some change their mind, some are just too opinionated to think.
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February 21, 2013, 09:44 AM | #42 |
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I am from TN/AR and have always dreamed of living in such a place, but with the voting and passing of laws that I have seen, Montanna is the new Colorado.
Don't kid yourself. Montana is under attack from the lefties too. Colorado is still very much a rugged, do-it-yourself place. However, Denver and most of its suburbs have become typical of most major urban areas (think rugged Texas and think of Austin). Major population centers have group-think mentalities and large liberal populations that affect the rest of the state. |
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I'll put up a couple of examples but this is NOT to start conversations on these issues... "Gun rights" aren't the only issue. What if I'm Pro-life and the only Pro-life candidate is for universal background checks? What if the only Pro-gun candidate has fiscal policies that I believe will bankrupt our nation? Any number of other scenarios are possible. "Gun rights or nothing!" is too simplistic. A theoretical solution that doesn't work in the real world.
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From Zak Smith,with his permission:
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February 21, 2013, 02:51 PM | #46 |
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February 21, 2013, 03:42 PM | #47 |
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Strange first post I know... But.
I am confused how one whack job from California moves to Colorado and commits a horrible crime, and rest of us in Colorado pay with our 2nd amendment rights....... Deal with the mental health issue, that will make the most impact... And while I am standing on my soapbox, why the heck do we still have kids in America that go to bed hungry? Is there anyone in congress that gives a crap about that? What if we had a whole school of hungry kids? Ok, sorry for the drift... Back to matters at hand... |
February 21, 2013, 05:45 PM | #48 |
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liddown,
Welcome to the boards.
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Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey |
February 21, 2013, 06:21 PM | #49 |
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From talking heads on various tv shows VP Biden has made numerous calls to Democrats in Colorado who are on the fence,IMO making promises. I suspect they view Co as a test state, this is not about guns or saving lives it is about power and politics.
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February 21, 2013, 07:49 PM | #50 |
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Once again - please avoid broad stroke rhetoric of the left and right. I had to delete a reasonable post about mental issues because it was laced with such in insulting terms.
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