Wyoming Bill for permitless CCW

longranger · February 17, 2010, 08:36 PM

Appears that the Wyoming State Legislature is entertaining the idea that no permit for concealed carried weapons permit is necessary.This is in some views is consistent with the 2nd. Ammendment.
What do you all think ?

http://news.google.com/news?q=Wyomin...ed=0CBsQsQQwAw

Nomadicone · February 17, 2010, 08:40 PM

Arizona is working on theirs. If you live in a state where open carry is allowed it makes no sense to require a permit so you can rearrange your shirt tail and conceal a gun.

41mag10mm · February 17, 2010, 08:43 PM

WOW! Congrats to the people of Wyoming. You may actually have representatives in your state house that actually have read and understand the Constitution.

kraigwy · February 17, 2010, 08:52 PM

I'd still get a permit, it covers you in many other states.

I carry under HR 218 but my wife has her's, I'm gonna tell her to keep it, it would be handy when she travels to Indiana to see her folks.

But Yes, It's a good deal............that and HR 95 (Made in Wyoming Law).

orionengnr · February 17, 2010, 09:17 PM

Wyoming was already on my short list of places to retire. I think it just moved up a notch or two.

raftman · February 17, 2010, 09:19 PM

So this applies only to Wyoming residents?

Don H · February 17, 2010, 09:24 PM

The thread title is a bit optimistic. The bill only was passed through the Judiciary Committee. It has NOT been passed by the Legislature or signed into law.

From the link longranger posted:

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Wyoming citizens could carry concealed handguns without needing a state permit under a bill that passed its first committee on Tuesday.

The House Judiciary Committee voted 6-2 to recommend approval of House Bill 113 after a testimony from pro-gun groups and other supporters.

"I bring the bill here today because I do believe it is our right not only under the United States Constitution, but under the Wyoming Constitution," sponsor Rep. Elaine Quarberg, R-Thermopolis, told the committee.

The state would keep its existing concealed carry permit system even if her bill passes, Quarberg said. Wyoming residents who have state permits may carry concealed guns in other states that have reciprocity with Wyoming. The permits also serve as a substitute for federal background checks on gun purchases.

The Judiciary Committee amended Quarberg's bill to specify that people who are mentally incompetent or who have been committed to mental institutions wouldn't be allowed to carry concealed guns.

Rep. Joe Barbuto, D-Rock Springs, voted against the bill.

"I'm a strong supporter of Second Amendment rights," Barbuto said. "I don't think anybody around this table could accuse me of being a bleeding heart liberal."

However, Barbuto said he's happy with the current permit system, which has law enforcement review permit applications.

"I don't think we need to take away that accountability," Barbuto said.

Rep. John Patton, R-Sheridan, cast the other vote against the bill. He said that despite being a gun-owner himself, he didn't see how passing the bill would help with the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness in the state.

Anthony R. Bouchard, spokesman for the Wyoming Gun Owners Association, told the committee he wants to see the concealed carry bill move forward.

Bouchard said his group sees no need to require training for Wyoming citizens who would carry concealed guns. A lot of people in the state are ranchers who grew up with guns and handle them daily, he said.

States that have gun control have "50,000 gangbangers walking around carrying guns," Bouchard said.

Gov. Dave Freudenthal told reporters at his regularly scheduled press conference on Tuesday that his opinion of Quarberg's bill was "mixed."

"If it gets to me, I'll sure take a look at it." Freudenthal said.

The Judiciary Committee also voted unanimously to recommend approval of House Bill 95. It would specify that guns that are manufactured and sold within Wyoming would be exempt from federal regulations. Montana passed such a law last year and similar legislation is pending in several other states.

grubbylabs · February 17, 2010, 09:24 PM

I am thinking of getting A Utah CCW License as it allows carry in so many states. While my Idaho CCW only allows for carry in Idaho

The Storm · February 17, 2010, 10:03 PM

I'm moving to Wyoming in the summer, I can't wait to live somewhere where the laws make sense.

williamd · February 17, 2010, 10:09 PM

Nomadicone .... don't forget that Arnie's socialist utopia of CA has open carry! But, concealed, probably never.

Stevie-Ray · February 17, 2010, 10:17 PM

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I am thinking of getting A Utah CCW License as it allows carry in so many states. While my Idaho CCW only allows for carry in Idaho

It's good here in Michigan.

Course, you have to go the long way around Iowa and Illinois to get here.

Your permit is about as good as Utah's. Check here. But, certainly check where you're going for the latest and greatest in changes.

zohan · February 18, 2010, 12:11 AM

Although California can be considered an open carry state in reality it is not so. First...it is a misdemeanor to open carry a loaded gun, so the gun can only be carried without a mag in it. Second, there is an issue regarding population density and open carry. If the population density is above a certain amount then you cannot open carry. In most CA jurisdictions it is next to impossible to obtain a concealed carry permit.

The main issue with open carry is that anytime you step off the sidewalk/street, such as entering a business you transition from the public domain to private property, the owner/manager of the establishment can ask you to leave if you are carrying and you have no recourse other than to spend your money elsewhere. I have run into this problem while living in WA which is an open carry state with preemption, meaning that local municipalities/jurisdictions can not make their laws stricter than state law. The benefit of concealed carry is that if you are doing it right no one knows you have a gun on you and you wont get kicked out of places due to other people's ignorance.

-z

GunsAreGood · February 18, 2010, 04:19 AM

zohanCalifornia open carry has nothing to do with population density. I personally called the bureau of firearm of California and asked them myself. If you do open carry in California you will be stopped by the police so much that you will be on a first name basis with your local police department. Hopefully more people will start to open carry and make it more accepted in California.

longranger · February 18, 2010, 08:42 AM

Kraigwy,

I too have a CCWP for WY and for the same reasons as you I will maintain my permit, it is good in 24 states.
Administrator thank you for moving this thread to it's proper spot, my apologies for posting in the wrong section.

Huntergirl · February 18, 2010, 08:30 PM

I also have a Wy CCW permit, and will retain it for reasons already mentioned.

IdahoG36 · February 18, 2010, 09:51 PM

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Posted by grubbylabsWhile my Idaho CCW only allows for carry in Idaho

This is not true.
I have an Idaho CWP and Idaho has reciprocity with many states. I carried a pistol in Texas with mine no problem. Here is a list of states where your Idaho permit will work.

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States that Honor Idaho's CCW Permit:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado*, Florida*, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan*, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Wyoming

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal...state-laws.php

sixgun67 · February 18, 2010, 10:28 PM

Folks, we all know about reciprocities for concealed carry. Just as a reminder, let's make sure that we know the license requirements from each state that we may be traveling thru. Sure they honor your permits, but they have made their own rules as to how. One of my states recently changed their laws pertaining to such, and I didn't know it until recently. Ohio recently changed their laws to only allow CCW holders to have the gun concealed ON THEIR PERSON while driving, otherwise locked in a case or locked glovebox. Always safer to call and check.

IdahoG36 · February 19, 2010, 12:05 AM

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Just as a reminder, let's make sure that we know the license requirements from each state that we may be traveling thru.

Very good advice. In Idaho, we do not have to inform LEO that we are carrying. When I went down to Texas, they do require this. I was pulled over in Texas. I showed the officer my Idaho CWP and informed him I was carrying. No big deal. Make sure you pay attention to things like this when traveling.

BGutzman · February 19, 2010, 05:15 PM

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WOW! Congrats to the people of Wyoming. You may actually have representatives in your state house that actually have read and understand the Constitution.

At least your reps can read...

IMHO this should be the law of the land nation wide. Many will disagree with me I am sure but I think some of our gun laws are almost treason and should be grounds for impeachment (I am a constitionalist)

So many laws have gone to far, its now like were the land of the "only somewhat free". The second ammendments pretty clear to me..

Thats my nickle....

Wyo Cowboy · February 20, 2010, 01:24 PM

It appears that HB 113 (concealed carry) has passed 2nd reading. One more in the House then over to the senate. Not looking to bad... but I'm not holding my breath.

zippy13 · February 20, 2010, 09:57 PM

Coming for SoCal, were going to meet a local at a restaurant in Cody before we went to the shooting complex north of town. Because of the guns in the truck, I rolled up the windows and clicked the button to lock and arm the alarm. The local shrugged and gave me an inquisitive look. I looked back over the parking lot, it was a hot day, and mine was the only one with the windows rolled up. He smiled and said, "In Wyoming, we can use a gun to defend our property with no problems from the law."

ProjectCamaro · February 20, 2010, 11:53 PM

Wow, congrats on living in a state that gives you the right to protect yourself.
Here in WI there are absolutly no legal ways to conceal carry unless you are a peace officer.

February 17, 2010, 08:36 PM	#1
longranger Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2008 Location: Buffalo WY Posts: 1,056	Wyoming Bill for permitless CCW Appears that the Wyoming State Legislature is entertaining the idea that no permit for concealed carried weapons permit is necessary.This is in some views is consistent with the 2nd. Ammendment. What do you all think ? http://news.google.com/news?q=Wyomin...ed=0CBsQsQQwAw Last edited by Al Norris; February 21, 2010 at 12:29 AM. Reason: Title Correction/Clarification

February 17, 2010, 08:40 PM	#2
Nomadicone Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 214	Arizona is working on theirs. If you live in a state where open carry is allowed it makes no sense to require a permit so you can rearrange your shirt tail and conceal a gun. __________________ Outdoor Equipment Outfitter for your outdoor equipment needs www.outdoorequipmentoutfitter.org

February 17, 2010, 08:43 PM	#3
41mag10mm Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2010 Location: The Zoo, NC Posts: 271	WOW! Congrats to the people of Wyoming. You may actually have representatives in your state house that actually have read and understand the Constitution. __________________ NRA Endowment Life Member

February 17, 2010, 08:52 PM	#4
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I'd still get a permit, it covers you in many other states. I carry under HR 218 but my wife has her's, I'm gonna tell her to keep it, it would be handy when she travels to Indiana to see her folks. But Yes, It's a good deal............that and HR 95 (Made in Wyoming Law). __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

February 17, 2010, 09:19 PM	#6
raftman Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,890	So this applies only to Wyoming residents? __________________ "My momma, she done told me, there's heart and then there's hate If one of 'em's inside of you, the other one, it aint."

February 17, 2010, 09:17 PM	#5
orionengnr Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2004 Posts: 5,177	Wyoming was already on my short list of places to retire. I think it just moved up a notch or two.

February 17, 2010, 09:24 PM	#8
grubbylabs Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2009 Location: Hansen Idaho Posts: 1,465	I am thinking of getting A Utah CCW License as it allows carry in so many states. While my Idaho CCW only allows for carry in Idaho __________________ * (Swinging club) Whack! whack! whack! * Nope, the old nag's still dead . (Capt Charlie)

February 17, 2010, 10:03 PM	#9
The Storm Member Join Date: February 17, 2010 Posts: 22	I'm moving to Wyoming in the summer, I can't wait to live somewhere where the laws make sense.

February 17, 2010, 10:09 PM	#10
williamd Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 801	Nomadicone .... don't forget that Arnie's socialist utopia of CA has open carry! But, concealed, probably never. __________________ "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!" Unfortunately, we may be moving in that direction. NRA Benefactor, Conservative!, VN '64-'65. Never sell a gun or a car ... and retire rich!

February 18, 2010, 12:11 AM	#12
zohan Junior Member Join Date: December 7, 2008 Posts: 5	Although California can be considered an open carry state in reality it is not so. First...it is a misdemeanor to open carry a loaded gun, so the gun can only be carried without a mag in it. Second, there is an issue regarding population density and open carry. If the population density is above a certain amount then you cannot open carry. In most CA jurisdictions it is next to impossible to obtain a concealed carry permit. The main issue with open carry is that anytime you step off the sidewalk/street, such as entering a business you transition from the public domain to private property, the owner/manager of the establishment can ask you to leave if you are carrying and you have no recourse other than to spend your money elsewhere. I have run into this problem while living in WA which is an open carry state with preemption, meaning that local municipalities/jurisdictions can not make their laws stricter than state law. The benefit of concealed carry is that if you are doing it right no one knows you have a gun on you and you wont get kicked out of places due to other people's ignorance. -z

February 18, 2010, 04:19 AM	#13
GunsAreGood Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2010 Posts: 300	zohanCalifornia open carry has nothing to do with population density. I personally called the bureau of firearm of California and asked them myself. If you do open carry in California you will be stopped by the police so much that you will be on a first name basis with your local police department. Hopefully more people will start to open carry and make it more accepted in California. __________________ From my cold dead hands If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns

February 18, 2010, 08:42 AM	#14
longranger Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2008 Location: Buffalo WY Posts: 1,056	Kraigwy, I too have a CCWP for WY and for the same reasons as you I will maintain my permit, it is good in 24 states. Administrator thank you for moving this thread to it's proper spot, my apologies for posting in the wrong section.

February 18, 2010, 08:30 PM	#15
Huntergirl Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2005 Location: Wyoming Posts: 907	I also have a Wy CCW permit, and will retain it for reasons already mentioned.

February 18, 2010, 10:28 PM	#17
sixgun67 Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2009 Location: New Philadelphia, Oh Posts: 238	Folks, we all know about reciprocities for concealed carry. Just as a reminder, let's make sure that we know the license requirements from each state that we may be traveling thru. Sure they honor your permits, but they have made their own rules as to how. One of my states recently changed their laws pertaining to such, and I didn't know it until recently. Ohio recently changed their laws to only allow CCW holders to have the gun concealed ON THEIR PERSON while driving, otherwise locked in a case or locked glovebox. Always safer to call and check.

February 20, 2010, 01:24 PM	#20
Wyo Cowboy Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2005 Location: Northern Wyoming Posts: 343	It appears that HB 113 (concealed carry) has passed 2nd reading. One more in the House then over to the senate. Not looking to bad... but I'm not holding my breath.

February 20, 2010, 09:57 PM	#21
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Coming for SoCal, were going to meet a local at a restaurant in Cody before we went to the shooting complex north of town. Because of the guns in the truck, I rolled up the windows and clicked the button to lock and arm the alarm. The local shrugged and gave me an inquisitive look. I looked back over the parking lot, it was a hot day, and mine was the only one with the windows rolled up. He smiled and said, "In Wyoming, we can use a gun to defend our property with no problems from the law."

February 20, 2010, 11:53 PM	#22
ProjectCamaro Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 230	Wow, congrats on living in a state that gives you the right to protect yourself. Here in WI there are absolutly no legal ways to conceal carry unless you are a peace officer.