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May 23, 2019, 03:13 PM | #26 |
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May 23, 2019, 03:34 PM | #27 |
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May 23, 2019, 03:42 PM | #28 |
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Tactical bacon!
To the topic. Pocket carry is not for me, but that does not mean others may find that the best solution for them. Just make sure you practice actually drawing it out from a variety of positions and quickly. |
May 24, 2019, 01:17 PM | #29 | |
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I have a minuscule Beretta Pico and it would seem like a great choice for a pocket holster, but I haven't found any I especially like |
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May 24, 2019, 04:30 PM | #30 |
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I carried a Kahr PM9 in a Desantis Super Fly. The tacky surface on the outside of the holster makes it "stick" to the pocket while the gun comes out. When you get too much pocket lint stuck to it, toss it in the was and let it air dry. It also has some extra material to break up the outline of the gun and to catch on the bottom of the pocket.
I ended up switching to a Glock 43 and I carry inside of the waistband now. It is much easier to conceal now, faster to draw from, and more comfortable. It helps to have love handles. LOL
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May 25, 2019, 05:20 AM | #31 |
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My biggest issue with pocket carry is... I already use both pockets. I carry around enough stuff in my front pockets that I need both. Wallet (I long ago moved away from putting my wallet in my rear pocket -I have too bad a back to sit on my wallet anymore), house keys, car keys, work/classroom keys go in one pocket. In the other I have a pen (I'm a teacher, I always have a pen or two), Kleenex (I'm a teacher, I always have a pocket pack of Kleenex), knife (when not at work), pill box (for Advil, Tylenol, and diabetes meds if it will be a long enough day that I'll be out when I need my evening dose), and lip balm in the winter. I already carry a bag/case for my insulin and blood glucose monitor. So, I have to leave a lot back at home, or get a fanny pack, when I want to do pocket carry. I can do it occasionally, but it will never be my regular mode of carry (currently, when in a state that honors my UT non-resident permit, and hopefully soon, when the courts force MD and the rest of the may-issue states to go shall issue).
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May 25, 2019, 07:19 AM | #32 |
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I carried my wallet in front of my gun to break up the outline. Make sure you aren't wearing tight fitting pants and have big pockets. Wearing dark colored pants helps hide bulges better than light colored pants too.
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May 25, 2019, 08:19 AM | #33 | |
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To help mitigate this, I’ve taken to what I call my “utility keychain” (inspired by Batman’s utility belt; but focused on a more compact EDC size ). I’ve got a tiny carabiner (to add/remove quickly) with a Roxyvon Aurora flashlight, a Leatherman Mini or M4 Sebertool, and a Swiss Army Cadet. So, on a keychain I have a multitool, 500 lumen flashlight, and a pocket knife. As a bonus, I’ve been to a couple of sporting events with “no knives” policies and while they’ve insisted I check my 3” pocket knife, they’ve never given me grief about the multitool or Cadet. Which I’m thankful for since I generally regard a knife as a useful tool rather than a weapon and this fetishism to “protect” people by denying them commonly used tools annoys me greatly. |
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May 25, 2019, 11:46 AM | #34 | |
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May 25, 2019, 02:09 PM | #36 |
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Some guys have huge pockets, apparently.
"I carry a Beretta 92 in my pocket." "I carry a J frame in my pocket." I carry an LCP in my WATCH POCKET." |
May 25, 2019, 11:01 PM | #37 |
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Eh, TFL appears to be a forum populated by mutants. They are 6’4” and 275 pounds with Mickey Mouse hands that are too big for a P365; and yet they can’t possibly pocket carry a Glock 26 like I’ve been doing for a decade now.
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May 26, 2019, 12:13 AM | #38 | |
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Either another gunwriter, or maybe someone who wrote in with a letter, commented that although people might not be able to tell that it was a gun in his pocket, they might think he had a can of pork and beans in there. Obviously deriding him for his less than practical carry solution. I use all my pockets for things I can't carry other ways, so pocket carry isn't a good option for me. Also, although no one would accuse me of wearing tight clothes, I don't wear my clothes anywhere near loose enough to carry a gun in my pocket in such a way that I would be able to reasonably access it in anything like a semblance of alacrity. I also don't wear them loose enough that I could reasonably easily walk around with my hand in my pocket on my gun to try to make my draw a little faster. I have carried in a coat pocket, but I wasn't happy with that for a number of reasons--not the least of which, I can't reasonably wear a coat for most of the year, and I take my coat off inside because it's uncomfortably hot. Maybe if I switched to wearing some other kind of pants with much larger pockets, things would be different.
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May 26, 2019, 10:42 AM | #39 |
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Glock 26 with Galco pocket holster and Duluth Trading Fire Hose cargo shorts. These pictures show the pistol concealed, me with a master grip, and view looking down into the pocket just in case Joe Biden stealths up behind me.
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May 26, 2019, 12:21 PM | #40 |
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"Pocket carry is one of those things that tends to work out well on the range and not so well in reality."
Well, there it is. Someone actually knows what he's saying. |
May 27, 2019, 06:03 AM | #41 |
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Well, then... maybe some of those who “know what they are saying” can tell us their experiences with pocket carry - what works, what didn’t, the type of gear they were using, and the specific types of problems they encountered.
I think we all agree that standing around with your strong hand in your pocket can be fairly dangerous if someone is close enough to hit/grapple you. And that the speed advantage is only there if you can assume a master grip covertly, so it isn’t a great solution for being surprised. However, say if you were a clerk working behind a convenience store counter, where you have a barrier between you and the public and you see some suspicious people come in, pocket carry lets you assume a master grip quietly and a socially acceptable way. Customers might well wonder what you have in your pocketses but they are unlikely to react the same way as if you grabbed the butt of an OWB/IWB rig and stood there. However, it would be great if people shared their knowledge instead of their opinion, since as TFL regularly demonstrates, we offen form different opinions based on the same experience. Describing the experience that helped you form the opinion is more useful than just sharing the opinion. If my only experience with pocket carry was using the same pistol and holster( but wearing the Duluth Armachillo shorts instead of the Fire Hose, I’d have a completely different opinion because that combo is unworkable for me. It’s not even fast when you start with your hand on the pistol because you can’t get the pistol out. If I tried it with sweat pants I’d think sagging and zero retention. But I’d love to hear experiences, even the bad ones help others from repeating that same set of mistakes. |
May 27, 2019, 11:01 AM | #42 |
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I've written about this in other threads, but here goes:
I'm in the camp of "better to have it with you than leave it at home." When I carry, it's almost always in my right front pocket. It's almost always a Glock 42 in a Sticky holster. I live in an open carry state but I don't want to open carry or do anything else that scares the populace. Pocket carry makes that easier. I know I'm not going to win a quick draw competition. I can have my hand in my pocket without looking threatening. "Nothing happening here. Just walking around with my hands in my pockets." I put some things on my belt that would otherwise go into my pocket. My phone and a reload ride in owb belt pouches. I don't care about the populace seeing those. They will not recognize the reload. I also have a couple of pairs of pants that have an extra pocket on the right side, behind the "normal" pocket. But even with pants that don't have extra pockets, my method of pocket carry works fine for me. Two things do concern me, and they have both been pointed out here - it's hard to draw from a seated position, and it's pretty near impossible to draw with my left hand. But, I have my pistol with me more often than not, so there's that. |
May 27, 2019, 12:28 PM | #43 | |
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I can easily pocket carry a Kahr PM/ Glock 43 and its near invisible due to my chronically untucked shirt, which also conceals the pistol on my belt.
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May 27, 2019, 03:12 PM | #44 |
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I prefer to carry in a waistband holster, but that is often not practical, so I'm left with pocket carry. For me, it is now usually a Kahr CM9, Sig P238, or Ruger LCP. The Kahr for larger pockets like some cargo shorts and the Sig or Ruger in everything else.
Like reteach, I carry a sticky holster and never had one come out of my pocket unless I wanted it to do so. Maybe it's the way I draw the pistol. For awhile, I consciously pulled the pistol so there would be just a bit of pressure to make the holster press against my leg during the draw. Now it's second nature. It also helps to have a holster that is big enough that it naturally creates a bit of resistance to being drawn from the pocket. By no means, however, am I a quick-draw artist. |
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Let's go back in time
I like pocket carry.
Mae West had it right, is that a pistol in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?
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May 28, 2019, 07:56 AM | #46 | |
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Maybe look at people that hold records putting firearms into use. I can’t think of one that draws from a pocket. Some were quick though, you might not even be able to put your fingers on your pocket pistol before Mr Munden, had already drawn, fired and reholstered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujvVmuLuoM |
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May 28, 2019, 01:43 PM | #47 | |
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Been pocket carrying since about 1990. If I can manage it I prefer strong side belt, but sometimes pocket is the best way to go. It works for me when a 1911 on a belt is not an option. Guns successfully pocket carried for a length of time Beretta 21A .22LR AMT .45ACP DAO Backup .45ACP Kel-Tec P-40 .40S&W Kel-Tec P-32 .32ACP J-frame .38spl, .357mag (Pocket carry this the most) 1911 Officer's ACP 9mm Pants used for pocket carry (long & short) Loose fit blue jeans (Second most common) Loose fit Khakis (Most common) Cargo shorts of various sorts Loose fit denim shorts Tuxedo pants Speedos(1) "Tactical" pants & shorts Pocket holsters / carry devices used for a period of time Various Uncle Mikes pocket holsters. Sizes 1-4 IIRC. Galco horsehide made for Walther PPK (I do not own any Walthers) Aker horsehide made especially for AMT .45ACP DAOBU Some horsehide model made especially for S&W J-frames (Most used) A better-than-uncle-mikes synthetic that is stickier Handkerchief Folded up card stock =================== Many of the above combos (gun+pants+holster) work. Others don't. It is good to have a variety of guns & holsters to suit whatever pants you happen to wear that day. To get the most out of the carry concept you might have to put in some thought. Various comments & notes If you come across a quality large-ish horsehide pocket holster for a semi-auto on sale, might want to pick it up. For example, the Galco horsehide made for the Walther can tote my Kel-tec P-40, AMT .45aCP DAO, or 1911 OACP in the right non-cargo pocket, as the pockets were cut deep and wide. And keep them oriented. Put a mag or two in the off-side cargo pocket and your are well-armed, especially with the 1911. Sometimes that Galco holster is better for my AMT DAOBU than the fitted Aker unit. The Galco is square-bottomed and Aker is round-bottomed. One works better than the other depending on the pocket. My pocket carry used to be more varied, but nowadays a S&W J-frame does the duty 75% of the time. With a Crimson Trace laser, it can hit in low light & at range. Underwood's +P FBI load is potent. I usually have a speed strip of them along, in a speed strip carrier made of leather. If I need ultra-conceal-ability, the Kel-Tec P-32 gets the nod. It is lighter & thinner than the Beretta 21A. While seated in a car, drawing from strong side sucks. Drawing from pocket sucks more & is nigh impossible to do quickly. About the only size/config pocket pistol I lack is a slim 9mm single stack. Something like the SIG P938 or the new pocketable Glock. I keep telling my wife she needs a SIG P938. (So I can borrow it upon occasion.) Good luck. (1) Just kidding, I would never inflict that sight on innocent bystanders.
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I'm saying that the only time pocket carry works is when the carrier is standing.
I can beat you senseless with a soda straw before you can draw from pocket carry while seated in a vehicle, a restaurant booth, or any other scenario in which you can't stand upright immediately. |
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