Odd repeaters? mechanics not Bolt, lever or pump?

Husqvarna · August 28, 2018, 12:32 PM

Just watched the new curators corner episode
https://youtu.be/7cOTlg9A5vA
Triplett and Scott rifle

Never seen anything like it. Very cool

Also the burgess folding shotgun
https://youtu.be/HXvmGtLYwKA

Not really a pump
Pumpforward is not that unusual
There is even the "new" krieghoff semprio

Revolver rifles and shotguns are not that uncommon

But have their been other mechanisms for reloading?

Sevens · September 1, 2018, 10:18 PM

Well I think I can reference one that fits the topic but it doesn't fit the title exactly-- the Winchester Model 55 rimfire rifle is not a repeater, it is a single shot but an odd one. When used as designed, it is a self-ejecting and self-cocking single shot.

It fires from an open bolt, the trigger squeeze allows the bolt to slam fire, which discharges the round, extracts and ejects the brass downward through a port in the stock, recocks the rifle and makes it ready for you to load the next round.

Pushing a cartridge through the loading port also sets the safety which you must click off before firing.

It's an odd system but intriguing. It runs like a semiautomatic that has no magazine.

Husqvarna · September 3, 2018, 10:44 AM

Cool, almost artillery like?

Keep em coming

taylorce1 · September 3, 2018, 10:57 AM

Burgess didn't only make a neat shotgun, he also made a wrist pump rifle.

luger fan · September 3, 2018, 05:11 PM

Like a Semmerling? Manually operated 'semi-auto box fed?'

dakota.potts · September 3, 2018, 06:40 PM

The two examples that immediately come to mind for me are both black powder designs.

First there's the Cochran turret revolver, made in both a rifle and a pistol. This was an underhammer design which you could think of as a horizontally inverted revolver. The turret was rotated to align each new chamber with the barrel

https://www.full30.com/cdn/videos/fo...480_416599.jpg

There's also the harmonica rifle, where the chambers are oriented in a straight line and advanced one at a time. This concept was kind of re-developed with a few early smokeless machine guns such as the Hotchkiss M1909 which fed from a straight clip that was advanced horizontally through the receiver one round at a time.

https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-conten...01-660x343.jpg

I know this is the part of the forum for manual repeaters, but if you really want to see odd methods of operation, look at automatic and semi-automatic firearms from the 1890s to World War II era. From this period of time, there was kind of an "anything goes" mentality and all kinds of absolutely crazy designs were experimented with. From toggle locked rifles to blow forward pistols and rotary-mass delayed submachine guns.

Husqvarna · September 5, 2018, 04:33 AM

Re the cochran

Ouch if it chainfires!

McShooty · September 5, 2018, 11:48 AM

John M. Brownings father, Jonathan Browning, invented a harmonica rifle with percussion ignition. It appears it worked OK. He also made a revolving percussion rifle.

An odd single shot rifle of Civil War vintage is the Maynard. It was a break open single shot that fired a special self contained cartridge. Very good quality, fast firing, and liked by the cavalry troops as I understand.

Among handguns, the Merwin & Hulbert revolver has a unique mode of operation. Easy to find by Googling.

Jim Watson · September 5, 2018, 06:09 PM

While the Spencer is a tube magazine, lever action repeater, I think it fits the OP because it does not work like anybody else's lever action.

Husqvarna · September 6, 2018, 04:27 AM

The Browning bpr is a pump but the pump moves down to iirc

FrankenMauser · September 6, 2018, 10:56 AM

Guycot chain gun. The example linked is a pistol, but there was at least one rifle version, as well.

There were various low-production over/under Euro shotguns made in the late 19th century that broke sideways (horizontally), rather than the traditional manner (vertically).

SIGSHR · September 6, 2018, 01:56 PM

Firearms Curiosa by Lewis Winant is an excellent source of information about oddball guns.

August 28, 2018, 12:32 PM	#1
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	Odd repeaters? mechanics not Bolt, lever or pump? Just watched the new curators corner episode https://youtu.be/7cOTlg9A5vA Triplett and Scott rifle Never seen anything like it. Very cool Also the burgess folding shotgun https://youtu.be/HXvmGtLYwKA Not really a pump Pumpforward is not that unusual There is even the "new" krieghoff semprio Revolver rifles and shotguns are not that uncommon But have their been other mechanisms for reloading? Last edited by Husqvarna; August 31, 2018 at 02:14 AM.

September 1, 2018, 10:18 PM	#2
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Well I think I can reference one that fits the topic but it doesn't fit the title exactly-- the Winchester Model 55 rimfire rifle is not a repeater, it is a single shot but an odd one. When used as designed, it is a self-ejecting and self-cocking single shot. It fires from an open bolt, the trigger squeeze allows the bolt to slam fire, which discharges the round, extracts and ejects the brass downward through a port in the stock, recocks the rifle and makes it ready for you to load the next round. Pushing a cartridge through the loading port also sets the safety which you must click off before firing. It's an odd system but intriguing. It runs like a semiautomatic that has no magazine. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

September 3, 2018, 10:57 AM	#4
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,242	Burgess didn't only make a neat shotgun, he also made a wrist pump rifle. __________________ NRA Life Member

September 3, 2018, 06:40 PM	#6
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	The two examples that immediately come to mind for me are both black powder designs. First there's the Cochran turret revolver, made in both a rifle and a pistol. This was an underhammer design which you could think of as a horizontally inverted revolver. The turret was rotated to align each new chamber with the barrel https://www.full30.com/cdn/videos/fo...480_416599.jpg There's also the harmonica rifle, where the chambers are oriented in a straight line and advanced one at a time. This concept was kind of re-developed with a few early smokeless machine guns such as the Hotchkiss M1909 which fed from a straight clip that was advanced horizontally through the receiver one round at a time. https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-conten...01-660x343.jpg I know this is the part of the forum for manual repeaters, but if you really want to see odd methods of operation, look at automatic and semi-automatic firearms from the 1890s to World War II era. From this period of time, there was kind of an "anything goes" mentality and all kinds of absolutely crazy designs were experimented with. From toggle locked rifles to blow forward pistols and rotary-mass delayed submachine guns. __________________ Certified Gunsmith (On Hiatus) Certified Armorer - H&K and Glock Among Others You can find my writings at my website, pottsprecision.com.

September 6, 2018, 10:56 AM	#11
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Guycot chain gun. The example linked is a pistol, but there was at least one rifle version, as well. There were various low-production over/under Euro shotguns made in the late 19th century that broke sideways (horizontally), rather than the traditional manner (vertically). __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

September 3, 2018, 10:44 AM	#3
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	Cool, almost artillery like? Keep em coming

September 3, 2018, 05:11 PM	#5
luger fan Senior Member Join Date: March 10, 2018 Posts: 150	Like a Semmerling? Manually operated 'semi-auto box fed?'

September 5, 2018, 04:33 AM	#7
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	Re the cochran Ouch if it chainfires!

September 5, 2018, 11:48 AM	#8
McShooty Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2012 Location: Northern Missouri Posts: 480	John M. Brownings father, Jonathan Browning, invented a harmonica rifle with percussion ignition. It appears it worked OK. He also made a revolving percussion rifle. An odd single shot rifle of Civil War vintage is the Maynard. It was a break open single shot that fired a special self contained cartridge. Very good quality, fast firing, and liked by the cavalry troops as I understand. Among handguns, the Merwin & Hulbert revolver has a unique mode of operation. Easy to find by Googling.

September 5, 2018, 06:09 PM	#9
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	While the Spencer is a tube magazine, lever action repeater, I think it fits the OP because it does not work like anybody else's lever action.

September 6, 2018, 04:27 AM	#10
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	The Browning bpr is a pump but the pump moves down to iirc

September 6, 2018, 01:56 PM	#12
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	Firearms Curiosa by Lewis Winant is an excellent source of information about oddball guns.