|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Today's Posts | Search |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
February 4, 2019, 05:58 PM | #26 |
Junior Member
Join Date: April 15, 2013
Posts: 3
|
If it is your first purchase I would consider the total expenses you will incur. Factor in the cost of at least six mags, possible sight upgrades, holster options and spare parts. Then make your decision. They will all do what they need to.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
February 4, 2019, 06:11 PM | #27 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 11, 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 4,580
|
Quote:
__________________
Handguns: 2x Glock 19.4 | Glock 26.4 | HK USP 9 | HK P2000 | HK VP9 SK | HK P30 | CZ Shadow 2 | CZ P-10 C | CZ P-07 | CZP-01 | S&W 360PD Rifles: DDM4 | SGL 21 | SAM7K | Draco | PSA PDW SBR | ASA Side-Charger SBR | CZ Scorpion K SBR | Aero M4E1 9" 300blk SBR | Angstadt Jack9 SBR | Savage Mark II FV-SR Shotguns: Mossberg 590A1 20" SP | Mossberg Shockwave |
|
February 4, 2019, 07:18 PM | #28 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 11, 2005
Posts: 3,840
|
Not sure why the Walther PPQ isn't getting any love. I got my sister one and she loves it. I personally feel it has one of the best triggers for striker fired guns. I carry a Glock 43 and had to change the trigger and trigger connector to get it close to the Walther trigger. I put a Double Diamond connector and an Agency Arms Trigger on my 43. The Walther has more take up, but the feel and break is very good out of the box.
The ergonomics feel great in my hand and it has interchangeable back straps. I'm not sure I can say if the Walther is any more or less accurate than other striker fired guns, but the stock 3 dot sights allows for a higher degree of precision than Glock's ball and goal post sights. Walther also has a Limited Lifetime Warranty. The Walther definitely deserves a second look if you are shopping for polymer striker fired guns.
__________________
The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency! |
February 4, 2019, 07:55 PM | #29 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 26, 2013
Posts: 235
|
I just went down to the LGS who had a VP9 on consignment. I was surprised at how much i Hated the trigger. Seemed really mushy from what I saw online, and I watched a LOT of trigger videos. Grip felt great, just awesome. Slide release seemed like I might one day hit it with my top thumb, IDK.
Now, it's broken in sure, but that should make it smoother, not gritty. They had a new glock 19 and that felt normal for a glock, and a MP2.0. Both had less takeup after the wall than the VP9. Reset for the VP9 was also greater in distance and firmness. It was the frontrunner in my book, but now I'm leaning towards the P10 especially since the 2018 models are on sale now (again, not locally). Even the tech there said he's go with the VP9 because of "overall build quality" yet when I said the trigger felt like -CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED- he said "well everyone likes different triggers" which to me was like a "well guns do shoot bullets" dumb answer. |
February 4, 2019, 08:06 PM | #30 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 22, 2011
Posts: 12,212
|
The reality is trigger feel is subjective. That doesn't mean you can't have preferences, but it doesn't mean everyone will agree with yours.
Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk |
February 4, 2019, 08:24 PM | #31 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 11, 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 4,580
|
To be fair, some of the early VP9's did have triggers that weren't the greatest. It's possible that the one you felt could be one of those.
I actually have a pretty infamous thread over on HKPRO that I started nearly 4 years ago about how I resolved a pretty horrendous wall on my first VP9's trigger. Even Lobos triggers links to that thread on their sales page for their aftermarket trigger. Not sure about linking to other forums here, but you can search Google for "hkpro uncle malice vp9 trigger" and it will def be the top result. I *think* HK changed the disconnector design after that, because my second VP9 had a really good trigger out of the box, and so does my VP9 SK. I will say that I consider the VP9 to definitely have one of the best out of box triggers on the market. My personal top 3 are the PPQ, VP9, and P-10 C for out of box triggers. The break and reset on the PPQ is super clean, but the take-up is pretty notchy and stagey. The VP9 take up is pretty smooth and has just a little bit of roll/creep to the break. The P-10 trigger has an extremely smooth take up to the wall then a really smooth break through the wall, though it does have some creep as you break through it. I think if I could have my ideal, perfect trigger, I would want the smooth take-up of the P-10C with the ultra-crisp break of the PPQ. The PPQ take-up really annoys me... I don't know how they perfected the break and reset but left the take-up so crunchy. Basically, what I'm saying is that my ideal, perfect trigger is really a complete Apex Tactical kit on an M&P, which I have and love. But if you want a VP9, I would probably shoot for a new one to know you're getting the latest and greatest.
__________________
Handguns: 2x Glock 19.4 | Glock 26.4 | HK USP 9 | HK P2000 | HK VP9 SK | HK P30 | CZ Shadow 2 | CZ P-10 C | CZ P-07 | CZP-01 | S&W 360PD Rifles: DDM4 | SGL 21 | SAM7K | Draco | PSA PDW SBR | ASA Side-Charger SBR | CZ Scorpion K SBR | Aero M4E1 9" 300blk SBR | Angstadt Jack9 SBR | Savage Mark II FV-SR Shotguns: Mossberg 590A1 20" SP | Mossberg Shockwave |
February 4, 2019, 08:25 PM | #32 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 26, 2013
Posts: 235
|
Yes I agree. Mabye I was hopeful to feel the VP9 and go "wow"!
|
February 4, 2019, 08:33 PM | #33 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 22, 2011
Posts: 12,212
|
While I tend to like triggers that break a bit farther forward, an M&P with an Apex kit is a very nice striker fired trigger. If the goal is to have a stock trigger that is, "Wow!", by comparison, imo idk if you'll find that. I think you'll find a number of very nice triggers, but I have yet to own a striker fired pistol where the stock trigger blew me away, and I've had basically all of them at this point. Ymmv.
Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk |
February 4, 2019, 10:36 PM | #34 |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 11, 2016
Posts: 1,089
|
I love me some Walther PPQ! I have a Q5 Match and the .22 variant -- the trigger is even good in that one! Although, the PPQ Subcompact I tried just didn't impress me, and I don't know why -- maybe the PPQ just wasn't meant to be such a stubby, chunky little gun
|
February 8, 2019, 08:17 PM | #35 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 26, 2013
Posts: 235
|
Picked up my P10C today. Ordered on Monday, delivered yesterday, and brought it home today. Haven't shot yet (and I'll probably play with it manually racking slide a few hundred times before the range) but the trigger just as is...wow.
It's no Apex in terms of pretravel, but the break and reset are legit. I know HBI makes a drop in trigger to take care of pretravel, but honestly I won't decide that until a few hundred rounds go through it. Feels nice though, very natural grip. Now I just need to buy a night sight and of course sling some lead through it. |
February 8, 2019, 09:06 PM | #36 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 22, 2011
Posts: 12,212
|
Enjoy!
Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk |
February 8, 2019, 09:37 PM | #37 | |||||
Senior Member
Join Date: October 12, 2002
Location: The same state as Mordor.
Posts: 5,569
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
"As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. " Last edited by lee n. field; February 8, 2019 at 09:44 PM. |
|||||
February 9, 2019, 01:56 AM | #38 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 19, 2005
Location: Tx Panhandle Territory
Posts: 4,159
|
Lee- Umm, he already bought the CZ.
Quote:
__________________
Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two. |
|
February 9, 2019, 02:54 AM | #39 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 26, 2013
Posts: 235
|
The inconsistencies I mention are exactly what he said. Stiff release, rotating striker pin, back plate falling out, etc. From my research much of this was fixed by serial number 300xxxish. Or in mid 2018. Mine is 721XXX and it has all the new features. It has the 3:00 milled slot int he slide, striker cannot rotate, back plate is stiff in there, slide release is a little stiff but it's also brand new so not much worse than my broken in M&P. Mag release isn't super loose, but also isn't very stiff either. They worked it out.
|
February 9, 2019, 09:17 AM | #40 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 23, 2018
Location: Republic of Boulder, USA
Posts: 1,475
|
Quote:
__________________
PhormerPhantomPhlyer "Tools not Trophies” |
|
|
|