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April 20, 2019, 11:43 PM | #26 | |
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April 20, 2019, 11:50 PM | #27 |
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I have a personal preference toward hammer fired true DAO or traditional DA/SA but I carry a Glock these days. The only advantage I see with DAO or DA/SA is second strike capability. Not really an issue with modern ammo and extra heavy striker springs.
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April 21, 2019, 01:30 AM | #28 |
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I was a DA/SA guy for 30 years. I now carry a CZ P-10C. I qualify and use the Glock 17 for work for 17 years, but I never really liked them. For some reason the P-10C just really caught my eye and hand, and I haven't looked back.
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April 21, 2019, 04:52 PM | #29 |
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That's why you train with your carry gun. I have absolute confidence in my gun with its great trigger.
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April 21, 2019, 06:25 PM | #30 |
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The very reason that I carry an S&W SD9VE is because of the trigger. It seems everyone that ever mentions one, the first to do is the Apex trigger routine. I prefer my carry triggers to be a little on the stiff side just in case. I want to consciously pull the trigger, not accidentally pull the trigger. I won't have it any other way.
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May 5, 2019, 10:50 AM | #31 |
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I was one of those guys. I grew up with SA 1911s and BHPs. I even owned a few SA/DA Smiths and a PPK/s, even though the safeties went the wrong way. I eased into striker fired guns with a Ruger lcp (1st gen). Trigger pull was comparable to a DA revolver so that was ok. My next one was a Bersa BP9CC, which was an excellent CCW, but I still missed the reassurance of a manual safety. I thought the Kimber Solo would be my dream gun. Striker fired with a 1911 style safety. Alas, it was not to be. It had too many malfunctions for me to trust it with my life. I now carry a SigP365. Although I hear that there is a safety model available, they must be pretty scarce, as I've never seen one. I'm probably overly cautious with holstering, and I never pocket carry without a pocket holster. I know enough to keep my booger hook off the bang switch, so I've finally started getting comfortable with it.
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May 5, 2019, 01:46 PM | #32 | |
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What's it take to get used to it? In my case, 1)a good holster that holds the gun securely and protects the trigger, Holstered, unless something actually breaks, nothing is going to make that gun "just go off". 2) Examining the gun and learning how it works, and working out for myself that unless the trigger is pulled, it's not going to "just go off". 3) Something to help secure the gun in the 2 seconds you're holstering it. In the case of a Glock, a striker control device backplate. In the case of an XD or XDS, guiding the slide down exactly the same way, which disengages the grip safety when your palm rides up from it.
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May 5, 2019, 02:00 PM | #33 |
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Carrying for nearly ten years now and I couldn't really warm up to the idea BEFORE I actually got my license -- but then simply jumped in with both feet. On my first long day licensed and carrying all day long, it was a borrowed Springfield XD subcompact, no issues. Shortly after I bought a Glock as my first EDC.
I'm on just my second EDC now, it's a Walther PPQm2. I don't care for striker guns, I own only a few, but they are what I choose for carry.
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May 5, 2019, 07:40 PM | #34 |
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I don't care for striker guns, I own only a few, but they are what I choose for carry.
Sevens: Understanding the above may help;would you please clarify this? |
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May 5, 2019, 10:21 PM | #36 |
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I'd love to clarify it -- but at the risk of boring the audience with the length of my post.
Handguns are my passion, I love their mechanics and especially well-built, precise fitted, highly capable handguns with long barrels, a long sight radius, large target sights, awe-inspiring triggers and steel construction. Striker fired Tupperware plastic guns are soulless, heartless, ugly, blocky, and simply cannot get from me the endless love that I have for the handguns that I hold dear. However! I find that striker fired Tupperware guns are extremely good in the role of a daily carry gun. Doesn't matter a lick if they get dinged or sweated upon as they were born homely. Mine have no manual safeties so it's always a very simple draw & engage. These guns are lighter but give me no functional issues whatsoever. Their fitment compared to some of my elite handguns could be termed "loose as a goose", this would seem to me that they are less likely to be precise (not needed) and perhaps more likely to run reliably (most welcome.) My few striker fired guns are like a Craftsman screwdriver to me. While there are tools that are modern marvels, beautiful examples of engineering & build quality and devices that can bring a smile to your face simply upon inspection, a Craftsman screwdriver wouldn't be described that way. But if you need a device to remove/replace a screw, a slick dial caliper is really a poor choice when what you really need is that basic Craftsman screwdriver. So for a carry gun, I am 100% sold on my Walther PPQ (and I could make just as good work with a Glock, M&P, etc etc) but you'll never find me reading up on new striker guns that debuted at the SHOT Show, I really don't care about endless S&W Shield promotions, I don't know what a Gen 5 Glock offers over a Gen 4 (and no need to know... ever) and I honestly doubt that I ever will. I was in my formative gun years almost EXACTLY when the Glock hit the market and took the world by storm. With the exception of the earlier (horrendous looking) HK that preceeded the Glock, I've been a rabid handgun addict since the mid-to-late 1980's so I've been knee-deep in this lifestyle through nearly EVERY striker fired handgun that's ever been, or been relevant as a primary carry gun. Still not yet have I found one that could generate the passion in my heart the way that a Smith & Wesson Model 52 does. At this point, it's a safe bet that I never will. This is how I'd prefer it! And I still think they are perfect for carry. (and more ugly to look at than roadkill.)
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May 6, 2019, 01:54 AM | #37 |
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Use a proper holster and ingrain the safety rules, especially the part about keeping one's finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. The idea that a heavier trigger pull is some sort of safeguard against bad gun handling is foolish in my opinion.
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May 6, 2019, 08:41 AM | #38 |
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My preferred CC method of striker guns is OWB in kydex, if I CC IWB it’s a leather holster that I remove from person before reholstering.
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May 6, 2019, 06:24 PM | #39 |
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I have to agree with JohnKSa on this. Given the variety of pistols on the market today, there's really no reason to force oneself to warm up to anything for carry. Somebody out there makes a pistol that is already in your comfort zone.
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May 7, 2019, 06:00 AM | #40 | |
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- Manipulation of the weapon outside its holster -- loading or unloading before/after carry - Maintenance of the weapon -- disassembly prior to cleaning - Putting the gun into the holster - Pulling the gun from the holster - Pointing the gun at something with the trigger finger where it shouldn't be The first two aren't done under stress and are accounted for by being attentive and following rules of safety -- such as keeping your finger clear, and aiming the gun at a "safe" spot where a bullet can't cause injury to yourself or anyone else -- in my case, a filing cabinet filled with old papers in front of a concrete wall in a basement. The last one *should* fall under "keep your finger off..." but humans are humans and if this is being done under stress -- and why else would it ever be out of the holster when not at the range? -- it's iffy whether a heavier trigger will necessarily do a lot. A startle response will exert enough force to squeeze even a heavy trigger. The holstering operations are what would make me the most nervous, especially inserting into the holster. That's where many if not all reports of "Glock leg" seem to come from. In my opinion, striker guns that offer some way to immobilize the trigger have an advantage here -- same as a hammer that you can ride with your thumb. For not much money you can outfit pretty much any Glock with "The Gadget" (look it up), Springfields have grip safeties that keep the trigger from moving when not in a firing grip, Walther PPS M2 has an exposed pin on the back that will at least jab your thumb pretty hard if something is pressing the trigger. And then there are plenty of thumb safety models. Some people use the safety only when putting into the holster, then deactivate it again when it's in, so they don't have to fumble with it later. I don't know whether that's wise or not, but it's an option. Are any of those specific instances of more or less concern to you? I prefer DA/SA personally, and not only for reasons of (possible margin of) safety. But I usually carry a PPS M2 because my CZ P-07 is pretty chunky and rarely an option for concealment in the clothing I have to wear most of the time. You could always get a P365 with a thumb safety -- I think they're available now -- so long as you train with the safety, it gives you the extra margin, plus it holds a lot of rounds and it's almost a pocket gun. |
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I do this as well..NO NEED to 'quickly' re-holster, I don't see any reason for that..
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May 7, 2019, 09:32 AM | #42 |
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I mostly carry striker guns but they have safeties. To carry a handgun without a safety I'd want a double action first pull to feel safe, whether it's a revolver or semi-auto. As another poster stated, there are plenty of different options available so I say pick something you're comfortable with rather than forcing yourself to get comfortable with something you're not.
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May 7, 2019, 10:40 AM | #43 |
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http://aliengearholsters.com/blog/ho...lster-handgun/
Another way to consider this is that the holster design is critical to safety of a carry gun. Good read on the subject.
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May 7, 2019, 05:43 PM | #44 |
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It seems that a lot of the trouble with striker fired
pistols is tied to clothing getting in the way of the trigger. It's a great argument in favor of the nudist life style. |
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May 18, 2019, 05:45 PM | #46 |
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OhioGuy: just saw the above; Great Line!(LMAO) and great post above that.
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You make all kinds of debate that your trigger is as safe as a DAO, sorry not only the Physics but the mechanics say NO it is not. But the bottom line is this. Better your Leg or Life than mine. Go for it, get the light Striker fired trigger. I will heed the caution. Most especially when to go with the light trigger gives me no benefit at all. |
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I feel confident carrying my Walther PPS most of the time, and that exposed striker pin does give some margin (or the illusion of it at least!) of safety when holstering. It's also the only model currently offered with a red dot, and I'm a red dot geek so it all works out. |
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TunnelVision I mean TunnelRat (just kidding) I think we just need to agree to disagree and move on. I will be at the range as usual and having a great time, and I wish you the same.
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