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Old September 24, 2022, 09:35 AM   #1
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SA Professional model

I have been really jonesing for a Professional model from Springfield Armory.
They are making them in 9mm now as well as 45, railed or clean.
I probably won’t carry it, but plan to shoot the snot out of it and keep it next to the bed.

I’m likely to go with the rail for a light.

What do you think? Worth it?
9mm or 45?
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Old September 24, 2022, 10:46 AM   #2
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All 1911s should only be chambered in God's Caliber: .45ACP

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Old September 24, 2022, 11:10 AM   #3
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Personally, I would go to 9mm.
Arthritis in both hands makes .45 really uncomfortable.
In a full size steel gun, you get less recoil, good accuracy, and a couple more rounds.
I've got a Nighthawk Custom Commander length 9mm as my bedside gun.
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Old September 24, 2022, 12:13 PM   #4
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I love both calibers, but due to cost (and it is easier to keep fewer calibers around when buying ammo in bulk on sale) I shoot a ton more 9mm than .45ACP. That said, you mention home defense. I prefer 9mm to .45 generally for carry guns, but with the lower velocity and thus lower propensity to over penetrate, I prefer .45ACP (plus .38spl and.45LC for revolvers) for home defense. Of course, a well designed 9mm defensive round can lower the chances of over penetration as well, so if you know what ammo you'd use (and you control for penetration), then it really is determined by your preference. Though, that is all based on generalities, in a non-specified gun what I said above is my opinion. In a 1911, while others are OK, it really should be chambered in one of two calibers (.45ACP or 10mm, I guess .38Super is a good traditional 1911 chambering as well, just harder to find guns and ammo).
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Old September 25, 2022, 03:02 PM   #5
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I prefer the Emissary over the Professional.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/compare

It’s a third of the cost and all you really lose are ambi safety, rear night sights and 4 mags. I have the Emissary in Commander and .45. It is very secure in the hand, has an excellent trigger imo, and I love the sights. And it looks cool too… lol

As far as 9 vs 45, my next 1911 will be a bobtailed 9mm.
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Old September 26, 2022, 01:10 AM   #6
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I had an itch for a Professional early this year. In the end, I realized that the money could've also bought a nice 1911 from most actual custom manufacturers. Or a different very nice 1911 with leftover money for ammo, holster, sights, etc.

In the end, I realized the cost for the Professional wasn't worth it. For me. I ended up with a newer model MC Operator with the G10 grips and front strap serrations, a TLR-1 HL, and lots of money left over for ammo. And I'm very content with it.

Another worthy consideration is a Dan Wesson Specialist if you decide on getting a rail gun.

But if you have an itch that only the Professional can scratch, only you can say if it's worth it.
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Old September 26, 2022, 05:29 AM   #7
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I prefer the Emissary over the Professional.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/compare

It’s a third of the cost and all you really lose are ambi safety, rear night sights and 4 mags. I have the Emissary in Commander and .45. It is very secure in the hand, has an excellent trigger imo, and I love the sights. And it looks cool too… lol

As far as 9 vs 45, my next 1911 will be a bobtailed 9mm.
Lol are you kidding me?

One is a hand fit custom built gun and the other is a slapped together production 1911 built by the tens of thousands. There’s a big reason it’s three times the cost, just like a Wilson or Ed Brown is.

Might as well be two different companies making them and it basically is. SA Custom is separate.

Just wow on your assumption or whatever it is you’re thinking about 1911’s in general.
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Old September 26, 2022, 08:20 AM   #8
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There is an interesting philosophical question.
Granted a fully functional and reliable mass produced gun, what IS the operational difference from a special order like the Professional? Pride of ownership doesn't count.

I agree that there is a good chance you won't get a good example of a mass produced gun, as shown by the Prodigy DS fiasco, but let's assume that mrray did.
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Old September 26, 2022, 10:25 AM   #9
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Lol are you kidding me?

One is a hand fit custom built gun and the other is a slapped together production 1911 built by the tens of thousands. There’s a big reason it’s three times the cost, just like a Wilson or Ed Brown is.

Might as well be two different companies making them and it basically is. SA Custom is separate.

Just wow on your assumption or whatever it is you’re thinking about 1911’s in general.
Nope, not kidding. Handled them side by side when I bought my Emissary. In hand, there quite honestly wasn’t a $2k difference in price. Maybe I missed something not being able to shot them side by side, but then again, since the heart of the weapons are pretty much identical, I’m not convinced I did.

As I’m always willing to learn, please enlighten me on how my opinion is so wrong. Since you’re an expert, please tell me why the hand finished Professional is just so much better than the mass produced Emissary, other than quoting “hand finished”. ETA; I’m sure this is where you mention all the MIM parts of the Emissary, and the lack of any real finishing to them. And I get where that changes the cost of a firearm, but to what extent does it truly affect it durability, reliability in the real world with real world use?

For the record, I own several very well thought of hand finished firearms from back in the early 60s and 70s. So I understand hand finished. But I also understand how some of that hand finishing can make a firearm finicky and in some cases, prone to issues, including long term durability.

Also, I’ve looked at, picked up and shot custom, hand finished 1911s from Wilson, Baer, Guncrafter, EB and Nighthawk. Even STI full race 1911s. The Professional isn’t the same, imho.

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Old September 26, 2022, 11:10 AM   #10
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There is an interesting philosophical question.
Granted a fully functional and reliable mass produced gun, what IS the operational difference from a special order like the Professional? Pride of ownership doesn't count.

I agree that there is a good chance you won't get a good example of a mass produced gun, as shown by the Prodigy DS fiasco, but let's assume that mrray did.
Thank you sir.
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Old September 26, 2022, 11:35 AM   #11
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I would tend to go with the 2017 model myself because that way the frame and slide will be US supplier sourced. It might not make so much of a difference on the Pro's with their extra hand fitting but the street level pistols I've seen seem to me to be much better since the switch away from imbel...
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Old September 26, 2022, 02:40 PM   #12
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Nope, not kidding. Handled them side by side when I bought my Emissary. In hand, there quite honestly wasn’t a $2k difference in price. Maybe I missed something not being able to shot them side by side, but then again, since the heart of the weapons are pretty much identical, I’m not convinced I did.

As I’m always willing to learn, please enlighten me on how my opinion is so wrong. Since you’re an expert, please tell me why the hand finished Professional is just so much better than the mass produced Emissary, other than quoting “hand finished”.

For the record, I own several very well thought of hand finished firearms from back in the early 60s and 70s. So I understand hand finished.

Also, I’ve looked at, picked up and shot custom, hand finished 1911s from Wilson, Baer, Guncrafter, EB and Nighthawk. Even STI full race 1911s. The Professional isn’t the same, imho.

But then again, according to you, what do I know, right?
I own literally dozens of high end 1911’s from Wilson, Baer, Brown, Cabot, RRA, Nighthawk, etc, etc, including some full custom guns.. The SA Custom Pro and TGO1 I’d put up against any of them. I only buy high end custom/semi custom 1911’s and those two blend right in.

If you think the Emissary is in that league, more power to you. The couple I handled were fit like a Springfield Loaded and not even up to TRP standards, let alone SA Custom standards. Wasn’t at all impressed.

I said hand fit, not hand finished, by the way.
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Old September 26, 2022, 02:46 PM   #13
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There is an interesting philosophical question.
Granted a fully functional and reliable mass produced gun, what IS the operational difference from a special order like the Professional? Pride of ownership doesn't count.

I agree that there is a good chance you won't get a good example of a mass produced gun, as shown by the Prodigy DS fiasco, but let's assume that mrray did.
Well Jim, I would expect someone of your experience to understand the difference between a semi custom 1911 and a low end production model.

As for “functional difference”, what do you expect me to say? They should both show similar accuracy in the hands of most shooters, especially off hand. If that’s your definition of a nice 1911, why stop there? RIA and TISAS are all the rage these days.
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Old September 26, 2022, 03:31 PM   #14
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bac1023,

My 4 1911s are the Emissary, a Colt Competition, a Sig TacOps and a RIA .22tcm/9mm combo. I don’t have true high end 1911s, but I have shot them. And in your reply to Jim, I think you nailed the jest of my thoughts, functional differences.

In short, I understand what you are getting at with hand fitted (my apologies for the misquote) vs assembled. And I know there is a price difference associated with that, but in the grand scheme of things, what is that difference truly in everyday, real world, real numbers shot?

Maybe I just got a good one, as Jim alluded to. I have noticed several folks mention a difference in between the goverment and commander triggers, something that can definitely be attributed to mass production vs hand fitted.

One day I’ll own a true semi custom/custom 1911 and will be able to see the difference on the daily h2h.
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Old September 26, 2022, 05:12 PM   #15
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Well, bac, I said it was philosophical.

My only high usage Springfield is MixMaster A, which is mostly Springfield although not the way they left the factory. It does what I meant it to, but the trend is the other way and I am doing more shooting in the single stack categories with a modified Colt; STI where high caps fit in.

I don't see mention of anybody campaigning a Tisas or RIA in competition; owners think a thousand rounds is a lot of shooting; that is a busy month for me, two if slow, and I am not a high volume shooter by competition standards.

So much of the high dollar market now is overstyled to my eye. I don't know what they are doing. Thinking they are meeting the market, obviously.

I have to make inquiries, there were a lot of malfunctions on one lane of the indoor range Saturday, and I fear they were with a Household Name "semi custom." It was during a match that I call "non Glock", same course of fire as GSSF Indoor but open to all guns, so I couldn't just wander over and look.
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Old September 26, 2022, 05:32 PM   #16
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It’s all good folks. Shoot what you enjoy.

1911’s don’t need to be high end to be enjoyed. I tend to spoil myself.
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Old September 26, 2022, 05:37 PM   #17
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And we enjoy it, too.
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Old September 26, 2022, 06:22 PM   #18
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Glad to hear that. Unfortunately, due to nobody’s fault but mine, I don’t enjoy the production 1911’s. That’s why I don’t buy them.

What I find humorous is when those that don’t own them and have little to no experience with them, simply dismiss them as a waste of money. They aren’t a lot of money to some folks. It’s all relative. While there’s always diminishing returns, there is a reason why they cost what they do.
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Old September 27, 2022, 09:25 AM   #19
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Well, a Nighthawk T3 has been my grail 1911 since I first saw one advertised. Currently thinking of purchasing a 9mm DW ECP, but that’s still not in the same ballpark. Wife says to hold out, but that bobtail is calling my name.
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Old September 27, 2022, 01:40 PM   #20
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The ECP is nice, but it’s no T3.

Also keep in mind the ECP uses an aluminum frame
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Old September 27, 2022, 01:46 PM   #21
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That’s one of things I like about it. Saves a little weight for edc.
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Old September 27, 2022, 01:50 PM   #22
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Considering only the configuration, I think an aluminum frame with five ounces less weight on the belt is an asset in a carry weapon.
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Old September 29, 2022, 08:52 PM   #23
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I’ve committed
9mm with rail, Professional model.
Should be here Monday. I’ll be shooting that puppy on Tuesday.
Update when I can.
Thanks for all the replies
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Old October 4, 2022, 07:57 PM   #24
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Just a tease.
I love 1911s, had many of them, still got six.
I have never felt a slide action like this one.
This is just the first round, more will come when life gives me a chance.

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