410 advice

epic4444 · July 17, 2007, 01:42 AM

hey this is my first time posting in the shot gun section....i am looking for a good 410 shotgun....i would really like a good looking double barrel....and i dont want to spend 1000 bucks...so can anyone point me to some reasonable ones?

Dave Markowitz · July 17, 2007, 12:18 PM

Stoeger sells the Uplander SxS in .410. I just bought one in 20 bore. It's not finished like a Browning but the metal and wood finish are fine, as is wood to metal fit.

I haven't shot it yet but will post a report once I do.

arcticap · July 17, 2007, 02:24 PM

These Russian made guns used to be more economical before Remington bought their rights.

http://www.remington.com/products/fi...ns/SPR_models/

http://www.remington.com/products/fi...side_specs.asp

O/U:

http://www.remington.com/products/fi...nder_specs.asp

FL-Flinter · July 17, 2007, 10:29 PM

The Merkel Model 360E is super quality and won't spend a $1000 on one, that'll barely make the deposit.

Check around but .410 doubles are bringing big bucks around here, you can easily drop $450 to $800 for a beat to crap old el cheapo.

Ruger4570 · July 18, 2007, 10:15 AM

CDNN was selling some I Rizzini 410 O/U's a while ago. I don't know if they have any left, but then it isn't the SxS you were looking for

Dj Dust · July 28, 2007, 10:18 PM

You are better off buying a pump or semi-auto. .410 double barrels are pricey. you can get a good semi for about the same price. I saw a remington pump .410 for $170 at a pawn shop

1911 Shooter · July 30, 2007, 12:51 AM

Better find a reloader for that 410. Shells are $$$$. if you choose a pump or auto you will have less reloadds per hull compared to a over/under.

FirstFreedom · July 30, 2007, 09:35 AM

Stoeger

CDNN closeouts on Rizzinis, etc.

CZ

There may be others.

I'd get the CZ, and I'd also get the ".410" in 28 gauge:

http://www.cz-usa.com/products_shotguns.php

In particular, the Ringneck in the downsized ("petite") version for .410/28 gauge:

http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=62

BigJimP · July 30, 2007, 06:44 PM

I know it's more than you said you want to spend but really consider one of the Browning models - and if you don't like it, you have a chance at least of getting some of your money out of it.

If you really just want to shoot a .410 once in a while look at Briley and consider some of their tube options for an over under if you have a 12ga already. They have a variety from short inserts, mid length inserts to full tube sets. But like one of the other responders said - you better consider a reloading press too if you're going to shoot the .410 much ( $ 10 - $12 a box adds up in a hurry for new shells).

DIXIEDOG · August 3, 2007, 12:37 AM

I have a .410 Stoeger O/U . It's a great gun for the money , you don't get selective triggers or elaborate scroll work but whenever you pull the trigger it does shoot. I paid around $300 new and never looked back it is hard for me to justify $1000 for a shotgun to throw a 40" circle of lead. Maybe if I ever shot a $1000 shotgun I would want one but for me I would rather have a beater truck gun to chase the rabbits with.

Death from Afar · August 3, 2007, 01:36 AM

ALL 410's are great.

I aboslutly love the 410 and use it more and more often. The cost of rounds brings tears to my eyes, but it is the most frustrating and rewarding cartridge I have ever used. I use mine heavily for pigeon shooting, and it knocks them down all right. ON a good day, 4 of use will shot up to a thousand birds when the peas are drying, so you do get a bit tired of a 12 bores recoil. Just remember to use slihtly smaller pellets than you normally would use when hunting. Pattern density is all important with the 410 and your pattern will give out long before the shot will. I use #7 for just about everythihng I hunt with it. #4 is hopeless.

Birdville2011 · August 3, 2007, 12:58 PM

stoeger uplander .410 sxs

Scoupe · August 3, 2007, 01:44 PM

I agree with Death from Afar, ALL .410s are great, but if it wasn't for reloading, I couldn't afford to shoot them much.

I just wanted to mention that at some of the budget break open guns build their .410s on much larger frames - like their 20ga if you're lucky and their 12ga if you're not. The gun tends to loose a lot that desired gracefulness IMO. But, the nicer double guns are going to go over $1000 real durn quick.

I started shooting a lot of .410 a couple years ago because of registered skeet. Breaking clay with an 870 Wingmaster or an 1100 in .410 is a total hoot and they can be had for $400-$500 used.

Death from Afar · August 3, 2007, 02:29 PM

Welcolm to the forum Scoupe.

Its funny really, because all of my shooting circle have "discovered" the 410 only in the past two years or so. Before that I would snort derisivly about them - and call them a "school girls gun". How wrong I was. The 410 is an experts gun. I would not dream of giving my young fella a 410 to start with, its just to hard a gun to shoot well. BUt once you have them sussed, they are just delightful. I think the 410 is having a bit of a resurgence. Hopefully, this will lead to lower prices for ammo.

Scoupe · August 4, 2007, 07:03 PM

Thanks for the welcome!

chris in va · August 4, 2007, 07:27 PM

I've bought and sold a few guns, but I won't get rid of my el cheapo 410 youth pardner. I show up quite a few guys with 12ga at the wobble trap range with it.

I even like it better than the 20ga Benelli Nova I had...

July 17, 2007, 01:42 AM	#1
epic4444 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2007 Posts: 188	410 advice hey this is my first time posting in the shot gun section....i am looking for a good 410 shotgun....i would really like a good looking double barrel....and i dont want to spend 1000 bucks...so can anyone point me to some reasonable ones? __________________ "Cowards die many times before their deaths. The valiant never taste of death but once." -- William Shakespeare

July 17, 2007, 12:18 PM	#2
Dave Markowitz Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2002 Location: SE PA Posts: 372	Stoeger sells the Uplander SxS in .410. I just bought one in 20 bore. It's not finished like a Browning but the metal and wood finish are fine, as is wood to metal fit. I haven't shot it yet but will post a report once I do. __________________ Dave Markowitz http://blogostuff.blogspot.com

July 28, 2007, 10:18 PM	#6
Dj Dust Senior Member Join Date: October 5, 2006 Posts: 142	You are better off buying a pump or semi-auto. .410 double barrels are pricey. you can get a good semi for about the same price. I saw a remington pump .410 for $170 at a pawn shop __________________ (1939) Unique M&P .32ACP...Phoenix Arms HP22...Glock 30...Stoeger Cougar 9mm...Marlin Model 60 & 80...(1909) H&R .25cal...Saiga 20 Gauge...Yugo SKS...NEF Pardner .410...NAA Mini-Rev

July 30, 2007, 09:35 AM	#8
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	under $1000 Stoeger CDNN closeouts on Rizzinis, etc. CZ There may be others. I'd get the CZ, and I'd also get the ".410" in 28 gauge: http://www.cz-usa.com/products_shotguns.php In particular, the Ringneck in the downsized ("petite") version for .410/28 gauge: http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=62

August 3, 2007, 01:36 AM	#11
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	ALL 410's are great. I aboslutly love the 410 and use it more and more often. The cost of rounds brings tears to my eyes, but it is the most frustrating and rewarding cartridge I have ever used. I use mine heavily for pigeon shooting, and it knocks them down all right. ON a good day, 4 of use will shot up to a thousand birds when the peas are drying, so you do get a bit tired of a 12 bores recoil. Just remember to use slihtly smaller pellets than you normally would use when hunting. Pattern density is all important with the 410 and your pattern will give out long before the shot will. I use #7 for just about everythihng I hunt with it. #4 is hopeless. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

July 17, 2007, 02:24 PM	#3
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	These Russian made guns used to be more economical before Remington bought their rights. http://www.remington.com/products/fi...ns/SPR_models/ http://www.remington.com/products/fi...side_specs.asp O/U: http://www.remington.com/products/fi...nder_specs.asp

July 17, 2007, 10:29 PM	#4
FL-Flinter Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: West Central Florida Posts: 207	The Merkel Model 360E is super quality and won't spend a $1000 on one, that'll barely make the deposit. Check around but .410 doubles are bringing big bucks around here, you can easily drop $450 to $800 for a beat to crap old el cheapo. __________________ "Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything." Harry S. Truman [email protected]

July 18, 2007, 10:15 AM	#5
Ruger4570 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 2,136	CDNN was selling some I Rizzini 410 O/U's a while ago. I don't know if they have any left, but then it isn't the SxS you were looking for

July 30, 2007, 12:51 AM	#7
1911 Shooter Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Posts: 124	Better find a reloader for that 410. Shells are $$$$. if you choose a pump or auto you will have less reloadds per hull compared to a over/under.

July 30, 2007, 06:44 PM	#9
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	I know it's more than you said you want to spend but really consider one of the Browning models - and if you don't like it, you have a chance at least of getting some of your money out of it. If you really just want to shoot a .410 once in a while look at Briley and consider some of their tube options for an over under if you have a 12ga already. They have a variety from short inserts, mid length inserts to full tube sets. But like one of the other responders said - you better consider a reloading press too if you're going to shoot the .410 much ( $ 10 - $12 a box adds up in a hurry for new shells).

August 3, 2007, 12:37 AM	#10
DIXIEDOG Senior Member Join Date: June 12, 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 265	I have a .410 Stoeger O/U . It's a great gun for the money , you don't get selective triggers or elaborate scroll work but whenever you pull the trigger it does shoot. I paid around $300 new and never looked back it is hard for me to justify $1000 for a shotgun to throw a 40" circle of lead. Maybe if I ever shot a $1000 shotgun I would want one but for me I would rather have a beater truck gun to chase the rabbits with.

August 3, 2007, 12:58 PM	#12
Birdville2011 Member Join Date: August 1, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 69	stoeger uplander .410 sxs __________________ Marlin 336W .30-30 Remington 870 Express Synthetic 12ga Remington 597 .22lr Springfield 20ga (old)

August 3, 2007, 01:44 PM	#13
Scoupe Member Join Date: August 3, 2007 Location: Mid America Posts: 15	I agree with Death from Afar, ALL .410s are great, but if it wasn't for reloading, I couldn't afford to shoot them much. I just wanted to mention that at some of the budget break open guns build their .410s on much larger frames - like their 20ga if you're lucky and their 12ga if you're not. The gun tends to loose a lot that desired gracefulness IMO. But, the nicer double guns are going to go over $1000 real durn quick. I started shooting a lot of .410 a couple years ago because of registered skeet. Breaking clay with an 870 Wingmaster or an 1100 in .410 is a total hoot and they can be had for $400-$500 used.

August 3, 2007, 02:29 PM	#14
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Welcolm to the forum Scoupe. Its funny really, because all of my shooting circle have "discovered" the 410 only in the past two years or so. Before that I would snort derisivly about them - and call them a "school girls gun". How wrong I was. The 410 is an experts gun. I would not dream of giving my young fella a 410 to start with, its just to hard a gun to shoot well. BUt once you have them sussed, they are just delightful. I think the 410 is having a bit of a resurgence. Hopefully, this will lead to lower prices for ammo. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

August 4, 2007, 07:03 PM	#15
Scoupe Member Join Date: August 3, 2007 Location: Mid America Posts: 15	Thanks for the welcome!

August 4, 2007, 07:27 PM	#16
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	I've bought and sold a few guns, but I won't get rid of my el cheapo 410 youth pardner. I show up quite a few guys with 12ga at the wobble trap range with it. I even like it better than the 20ga Benelli Nova I had...