300 wsm vs 30-06 - Page 2

Sure Shot Mc Gee · April 26, 2017, 12:32 PM

Buy the 300 WSM. You can always down load its cartridges to suit the big game found in Michigan and too tweak its cartridge power so to give a slight edge in the harvesting of those biggest of bull elk found in the Rockies at just about any distance.

Considering the WSM has a short throw bolt similar to your 243s bolt which is kind of handy if you've grown use too a short throw bolt.

If still considering the purchase of a 30-06. Let me be clear Deerhunt. I am not at all fond of the 30-06 cartridge.

Just saying: There are better calibers that you would be suited to hunt with and shoot than a 06. 270 Win would be a good choice. I can definitely promote its buying. Probably because I own and shoot one myself so I do have experience in its ability to put down the biggest bucks in a sister State to yours. (MN)

Tip:
270 Win has a reputation of good or better than the accuracy of a 06. And less shoulder punishing recoil. That's a known fact even by those who shoot a 06 on purpose.

Paul B. · April 26, 2017, 02:48 PM

"I am not at all fond of the 30-06 cartridge."

We all make mistakes.

Seriously though, if I were looking for a lever action 30-06, I'd try and track down a Browning clone of the 1895 Winchester. You'd have to go with a scout style scope setup due to the top ejection but otherwise it should fit the OP's needs. Biggest problem would be finding one. IIRC, they were a rather limited edition. Mine is a lot of fun to shoot.
Paul B.

Stats Shooter · April 26, 2017, 03:42 PM

Everyone has an opinion on what is "Best". Most of the opinions on this forum are sound, logical, and will work just fine. But often these threads take a turn from the OP to some other conversation.

I wouldn't worry about performance, they are too close to call and I can make a .30-06 perform better than a factory WSM with my hand loads.

You have to ask yourself
A) Do you want a long or short action? WSM will be short, .30-06 will be long,
B) Do you mind only having 3 rounds in a standard mag or would you rather have 4? WSM is fatter so only 3 in a standard mag while '.06 will have 4 in a BLR (or bolt action for that matter).
C) Do you hand load? while WSM isn't too hard to find, you can get '.06 ammo at wally world, or anywhere for that matter.
D.) Is barrel life important to you? in other words will you be shooting it often? The '.06 is easier on barrels because the WSM is far more "overbore" than the '.06.
E.) Does ammo price matter to you? Because '.06 will be cheaper if evaluated at the same quality level

If it were me, I would go with a .30-06 in YOUR specific situation and in response to YOUR question.

I personally have dozens of rifles, AR-10's, Ak's, .243, .270 win, .300 wm and several others...But I hunt white tail with a Henry lever-action 30/30, no scope.

Rangerrich99 · April 27, 2017, 03:49 PM

Not to derail the thread, but has the OP considered the .308 win version of the BLR? Nearly the same ballistics of the .30-'06 cartridge, but in a short action, and less recoil to boot.

I had one thirty years ago (got stupid and sold it) and at the time thought it was the best lever rifle out there. Took many deer with that thing, and even now I wish I still had it.

MosinNOUGAT · April 27, 2017, 05:53 PM

If you REALLY want a good gun for everything like that, then check out the CheyTac Intervention M200. They shoot .408 cartridges you can buy off their website:

http://www.cheytac.com/shop/firearms/m200-intervention/

You could probably buy two used cars for the price, but it's worth it.

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dvdcrr · April 27, 2017, 09:56 PM

I really like my 270 WSM's. From 35-350 yds, the deer just seem to drop. I use 130 gr. Sierra and RL19.

Deerhunt · April 28, 2017, 05:47 PM

Dvdcrr What gun do you have the 270wsm in?

troyinidaho · April 29, 2017, 03:31 AM

I live in a western state. I've hunted plenty of big game... Mule deer, elk, bear, wolves, antelope. Only one rifle in a Browning 7 Mag. That is my universal do it all rifle.
Of the choices you mentioned I'd choose the 300 WSM only because I find the 30-06 and the talk all boring. Yawn. Be prepared though to either reload or pay heavily for the 300 WSM ammo.

RC20 · April 30, 2017, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Tip:
270 Win has a reputation of good or better than the accuracy of a 06. And less shoulder punishing recoil. That's a known fact even by those who shoot a 06 on purpose.

I have to totally disagree with that.

I have had no problems with 30-06, I have yet to get a 270 to shoot 1 MOA let alone sub.

So I do shoot 30-06 on purpose and I am in complete disagreement.

Stats Shooter · April 30, 2017, 02:29 PM

Quote:

I have had no problems with 30-06, I have yet to get a 270 to shoot 1 MOA let alone sub.

So I do shoot 30-06 on purpose and I am in complete disagreemen

That's strange. The .270 is considered one of the easiest cartridges to make accurate. In fact it is recommended by many experienced hand loaders for novices to start with the .270. 130 gr bullets and H4831 is 1/2 moa at nearly every single charge weight in my wife's rifle, a Ruger American rifle.

My brothers win model 70 in .270 is the same story....Same in my dad's browning A bolt.

I mean no offense, but getting a .270 to shoot is elementy in my, and just about everyone else's experience.

Hawg · April 30, 2017, 04:40 PM

My vote is 30-06. Not a lot of recoil and cheap ammo is everywhere and it kills deer pretty dead.

Husqvarna · April 30, 2017, 05:29 PM

300wsm in a BLR will probably be quite stiff such a light rifle

I have one in 358win but that is more of a soft push

I am gonna try loading a light bullet to really see how acurate and flatshooting it can be, had 308 blr and accuracy was excellent, albeit not a rifle you shot tons of rapid fire with due to the thin barrel

Art Eatman · April 30, 2017, 08:10 PM

Whee! Back around 1964 I bought a J.C. Higgins .270. Gave $70 for it. K-4. Handloads. Basically one MOA or a wee skosh over.

Tweaked my '06. Over some 35 years, reliably sub-MOA with handloads.

Back when the .300 WSM first came out, I figured that it was a great cartridge for handloaders. Can do light loads like I've done with my '06, but max loads are a bit above it. What's not to like?

April 26, 2017, 02:48 PM	#27
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,802	"I am not at all fond of the 30-06 cartridge." We all make mistakes. Seriously though, if I were looking for a lever action 30-06, I'd try and track down a Browning clone of the 1895 Winchester. You'd have to go with a scout style scope setup due to the top ejection but otherwise it should fit the OP's needs. Biggest problem would be finding one. IIRC, they were a rather limited edition. Mine is a lot of fun to shoot. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!

April 26, 2017, 03:42 PM	#28
Stats Shooter Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2016 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,636	For what purpose Everyone has an opinion on what is "Best". Most of the opinions on this forum are sound, logical, and will work just fine. But often these threads take a turn from the OP to some other conversation. I wouldn't worry about performance, they are too close to call and I can make a .30-06 perform better than a factory WSM with my hand loads. You have to ask yourself A) Do you want a long or short action? WSM will be short, .30-06 will be long, B) Do you mind only having 3 rounds in a standard mag or would you rather have 4? WSM is fatter so only 3 in a standard mag while '.06 will have 4 in a BLR (or bolt action for that matter). C) Do you hand load? while WSM isn't too hard to find, you can get '.06 ammo at wally world, or anywhere for that matter. D.) Is barrel life important to you? in other words will you be shooting it often? The '.06 is easier on barrels because the WSM is far more "overbore" than the '.06. E.) Does ammo price matter to you? Because '.06 will be cheaper if evaluated at the same quality level If it were me, I would go with a .30-06 in YOUR specific situation and in response to YOUR question. I personally have dozens of rifles, AR-10's, Ak's, .243, .270 win, .300 wm and several others...But I hunt white tail with a Henry lever-action 30/30, no scope.

April 27, 2017, 05:53 PM	#30
MosinNOUGAT Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2017 Location: Southwest US Posts: 148	If you REALLY want a good gun for everything like that, then check out the CheyTac Intervention M200. They shoot .408 cartridges you can buy off their website: http://www.cheytac.com/shop/firearms/m200-intervention/ You could probably buy two used cars for the price, but it's worth it. [IMG] __________________ O LA VITTORIA, O TUTTI ACCOPPATI!

April 27, 2017, 09:56 PM	#31
dvdcrr Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2010 Posts: 665	I really like my 270 WSM's. From 35-350 yds, the deer just seem to drop. I use 130 gr. Sierra and RL19. __________________ "All warfare is based on deception. Hence when we are able to attack we must seem unable....when using our forces we must appear inactive. When we are near we must make the enemy believe we are far away."Sun Tzu The Art of War.

April 26, 2017, 12:32 PM	#26
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	Buy the 300 WSM. You can always down load its cartridges to suit the big game found in Michigan and too tweak its cartridge power so to give a slight edge in the harvesting of those biggest of bull elk found in the Rockies at just about any distance. Considering the WSM has a short throw bolt similar to your 243s bolt which is kind of handy if you've grown use too a short throw bolt. If still considering the purchase of a 30-06. Let me be clear Deerhunt. I am not at all fond of the 30-06 cartridge. Just saying: There are better calibers that you would be suited to hunt with and shoot than a 06. 270 Win would be a good choice. I can definitely promote its buying. Probably because I own and shoot one myself so I do have experience in its ability to put down the biggest bucks in a sister State to yours. (MN) Tip: 270 Win has a reputation of good or better than the accuracy of a 06. And less shoulder punishing recoil. That's a known fact even by those who shoot a 06 on purpose.

April 27, 2017, 03:49 PM	#29
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	Not to derail the thread, but has the OP considered the .308 win version of the BLR? Nearly the same ballistics of the .30-'06 cartridge, but in a short action, and less recoil to boot. I had one thirty years ago (got stupid and sold it) and at the time thought it was the best lever rifle out there. Took many deer with that thing, and even now I wish I still had it.

April 28, 2017, 05:47 PM	#32
Deerhunt Member Join Date: March 18, 2017 Location: Michigan Posts: 90	Dvdcrr What gun do you have the 270wsm in?

April 29, 2017, 03:31 AM	#33
troyinidaho Junior Member Join Date: April 19, 2017 Posts: 13	I live in a western state. I've hunted plenty of big game... Mule deer, elk, bear, wolves, antelope. Only one rifle in a Browning 7 Mag. That is my universal do it all rifle. Of the choices you mentioned I'd choose the 300 WSM only because I find the 30-06 and the talk all boring. Yawn. Be prepared though to either reload or pay heavily for the 300 WSM ammo.

April 30, 2017, 04:40 PM	#36
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	My vote is 30-06. Not a lot of recoil and cheap ammo is everywhere and it kills deer pretty dead.

April 30, 2017, 05:29 PM	#37
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	300wsm in a BLR will probably be quite stiff such a light rifle I have one in 358win but that is more of a soft push I am gonna try loading a light bullet to really see how acurate and flatshooting it can be, had 308 blr and accuracy was excellent, albeit not a rifle you shot tons of rapid fire with due to the thin barrel

April 30, 2017, 08:10 PM	#38
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Whee! Back around 1964 I bought a J.C. Higgins .270. Gave $70 for it. K-4. Handloads. Basically one MOA or a wee skosh over. Tweaked my '06. Over some 35 years, reliably sub-MOA with handloads. Back when the .300 WSM first came out, I figured that it was a great cartridge for handloaders. Can do light loads like I've done with my '06, but max loads are a bit above it. What's not to like?